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The inner and the outer

I am just a thought. All I do is understanding the pattern in thoughts, sensations, and keep questioning.

It is a trap, I agree. At the same time, I have to mention that there is transformation in my thought process. :slight_smile:

Is thought itself the core of disorder? Can it recognize this and end of its own decision?

Yes, this is the next question: Is the finishing of answers another step of thinking, does thinking use this step to continue, to continue here in this dialogue?
Or does it end its activity?

No. That’s your interpretation.

Therefore, what matters most? The beautiful thing that we both happened to catch a glimpse of or our relationship?


No, you said it:

The word thought (think) is related etymologically to the word thing. In other words, they mean the same thing.

K: Sir, let us put it, approach it, differently. Everything thought has created is not sacred, is not holy.
B: Because it is fragmented.
K: It is fragmented. We know that putting up an image and worshipping it is a creation of thought.

That which is whole, in other words, that which is holy, is sacred. The words whole and holy are related etymologically.

Living in time, I am a frame in a mental movie of my life. I have a past and a future, both of which affect me to some extent. I have history.

Living out of time, I am … … … well there’s really no strong feeling of I, at least not in the I-ego sense, living out of time there are sensations, perceptions, feelings, but no context to root them in. Krishnamurti said “I am nothing.” Others: “I am everything.”

Living in time is a rich multi-dimensional experience filled with a vast range of emotions, from ecstasy to utter despair. It is grounded in becoming.

Living out of time is … well, words don’t apply so much, but maybe immersive comes close? Flow. One is in flow.

Intelligence imo is to know when to live in time and when to live out of time. The art, as sivaram said.

Well…intelligence is not knowing when/what/which/whom/where, but flowing. It doesn’t have an opinion/conclusion/words about it. Based on the situation, it flows without any fixed rule. No one can understand it with knowledge/words/thoughts.

Then perhaps we need a better dictionary because a mortal thing is something living, alive; and thought is not that.

We said that: I am thought; and thought is disorder.

Before you seek to understand or to question anything, can you keep so still that there is only the disorder and nothing else?

I am a disorderly human being. What happens to my disorder when it is allowed to flower in freedom? I don’t accept it, I don’t embrace it, I don’t stay with it; nor do I reject it, resist it or seek to alter it.

Freedom in relationship can never be an illusion.

And where does this knowledge come from?

Let’s go like this

What is disorder?

I have a similar kind of understanding of intelligence as you said.

Psychologically, isn’t disorder any incomplete action?

Psychologically, ‘disorder’ is the past operating in the present, isn’t it? Carrying the burden of past experience, nationality, religious beliefs, traditions, knowledge, images, judgement, condemnation, like, dislike, fears, etc and meeting the present with all that. In the mind, disorder is the continuous presence of this stagnant energy of the past.

“Incomplete action”.
Our actions will occur based on the decision of mind. If the mind is not able to make a decision, then there is conflict happening inside frequently. Obviously this is disorder in the psychological structure of person. There is a lot of division happening inside the mind. Inside many different chain of thoughts will happen, very easily.

I have been in this state for some part of my life. Now, the intensity has reduced drastically. Thanks to Jiddu. :slight_smile:

If the mind is aware of beliefs, attachments and the whole business out of it. Then it has started understanding the consequences of it. Now the mind is aware of those traps.

Knowledge comes from learning and memory. Intelligence, my understanding of it, draws (intelligently!) upon knowledge, learning, and memory … but also draws upon something else ‘beyond’ them.