That’s the whole point. We are going to find out the source of this resistance, go beyond the word ‘problem’ or any other word that appears to act as a barrier between ourselves and the thing itself. But first we have to use whatever tools we have, which are chiefly our own eyes and ears. We can see the effects of resistance just by looking at the world around us, either close by or far away.
Have you ever looked at why you suffer?
Of course I have, it would be about time as I am 65 now… 
, and yourself? For me this sort of analyzing , nor analyzing in itself meaning the use of thought is the way, analyzing means a “me” looking at what is perceived as “not me”. In the case of suffering there is not such situation, there is only me which is suffering…
Then what is it in the ‘me’ that suffers? What is the element that causes us the most pain? We are not analysing; we are just looking.
In the case of suffering there is not such situation, there is only me which is suffering…
Glad to meet somebody who is almost as young as myself… 
Yes the me is suffering. By which we mean that the me also includes the causes of suffering such as pleasure, fear, anger, anxiety and so on. Suffering (me) cannot end by its own volition/efforts. Yet the belief that somehow we can end suffering is very strong and our efforts to end it continue (illusion). The me refuses to surrender to reality. Suffering continues.
Also we may want to understand how the label of ‘suffering’ is applied by the me in daily life. Essentially whenever the what-is (reality) does not meet our expectation of what-should-be (illusion). Again the me refuses to surrender to reality. Suffering continues.
Even though we are youngsters, can we realize by now that mere explanations (like those above) however wonderfully logical or scientific have not helped the me to surrender.
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Because who is trying to help the ‘me’? There is still a self-centred motive in play. Therefore it is not about surrender but about control. So what is it that I want to be in control of?
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Because who is trying to help the ‘me’? There is still a self-centred motive in play. Therefore it is not about surrender but about control. So what is it that I want to be in control of?
Obviously I want reality (what-is) to match what-should-be (illusion). Because I strongly believe it is possible and it will end my suffering. You may call this delusion as desire for control, it doesn’t matter what it is called. But the me refuses to surrender however much all this is logically understood.
You say that - the reality (i.e. what-is) is suffering and the cause of the suffering is - pleasure,fear,etc…
If we jump into an illusion (i.e. what should be) - it is a belief of another pleasure. So trying to escape from ‘what-is’(i.e. sufferings) by ‘believing’ & ‘running’ for another pleasure(expecting to end suffer) - is the cause of further suffering. Do you mean this?
Hello and thanks for communicating. I am in tune with your words down to the end. Explanations have not helped, not will they ever do , at least this is what I experience(d) when I have to, which is often since young. It is a complex situation for the thinking process…Not only it does not solve that problem like it may for a practical matter, but the more it tries, well…the more suffering as a sort of sensation and a pain is there…so yes we have realized that mere explanations (like those above) however wonderfully logical or scientific have not helped the me to surrender.
For me at some stage all there is is the sensation of pain, suffering and all of it, whatever the reason is does not matter as such, yet. Must we not go from duality (usual thinking -analyzing) to whatever it is but is not duality ? Yes no doubt, for a moment all there is is me suffering, …what may come next is not predictable , well for me so far…Here any hope or desires etc is not welcome at all…if I want it that way, it is another desire…this is why suffering is much more powerful than the thinking process, in my view
Yes, I mean that too.
So, we are constantly seeking a way - to end suffer, but there isn’t.
Instead of seeking a way to come out (as it is an escape from ‘what-is’), shall we observe ‘suffering’ together?
Let @anon78228991 - bring forth his observation and we shall continue.
I understand, for me there is no observation of suffering, there can be the observation of what take place when I suffer… there is the necessity to suffer instead of trying anything else, taming, negating, explaining, face it and all of it, I am born with a heavy suffering so have to do that as much as needed…, when I really suffer, immediately there is no suffering and something else takes place, it seems unpredictable…, it does stick. It is arduous to clearly put that in words…yes OK to wait for Paul’s observations yes…
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Don’t worry brother. Everyone as a human goes through it - or tries to avoid that with another pleasure (by putting a smile or seeking for another pleasure). All Humans are Oscar Awardable actors.
Let we clarify this here, or else it may become a hindrance in our observation.
As you said ‘something unpredictable’, i’m questioning whether it lasts long? or suffering returns?
Because , the ‘I’ is so tricky than a ‘magician’. It creates a form of pleasure from the tears that ‘you are a god man. There is nothing to defeat you buddy. Only she will suffer because of losing a mighty guy like you’. It fools us with these kind of pleasure. We may think that this pleasure is ‘Unpredictable’.
Hello , thanks for the concern but I do not worry, I take it as it is.
Well, first of all, I can only tell my own “moments”.
I must bring here that for me suffering is a process which signals that something is wrong, not right. If this is a fact, then something x knows, or something close to that on this wavelength.
Does it last? As it brings an unusual energy, a form of clarity, a sense of total relief and whatever is there by itself, it can be much more “spectacular”, so will say thought after looking back at what it could memorize of it…which is little. each time something is wrong, there is suffering, but at the beginning if one is sensitive enough it is not about suffering at all, it is just a tiny wind in one’s brain…which tells: not again !!! Then as we do not listen, it increases…eventually this will destroy us, as twice was there for me that in this process there is embedded in it , a countdown…there is an out of date date or an expiry date …well, it was there…
Yeah, now I can see it. It’s just a big trick/belief played by the ‘I’. On the first moment, when the ‘I’ felt this ‘wind’ like blow - it memorizes the pleasure from it & stored it.
Whenever suffering arises, it bring back the ‘old pleasure memories’ and releases you from suffering for a moment.
It’s an experience - which became a habit and goes on and on and on. I personally went through this too - but it couldn’t put an end for all forms of sufferings,pain,etc…
That which tells ‘Not again to suffer’ - is itself a conditioned response. This warning signal is trying to save you from sufferings - but this savings is just a temporary relief - so it’s better to forget that ‘unpredictable’ - or else we can’t observe the whole movement of ‘I’(i.e.sufferings,pain,pleasure,etc.)
I can control the illusion, but it is still just illusion. What is it about the ‘what is’ that causes this flight to illusion?
So suffering can’t exist outside of time: i.e. thoughts of the future inspired by memories of the past. In other words, although I am not suffering now, I am afraid of what tomorrow may bring because I know what hurt me yesterday may come back to hurt me again. So my suffering is all tied up in thought and time.
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Hello Paul, it seems right, factual to say it the way you bring here yes. What I understand by time put differently is the thinking process field of expression, yesterday-tomorrow.The thinking process is vital in practical fields yes no doubts.No analyzing, well, no kinfonet to make it simplistic.
Well, I do not mean that. but I see your point.
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