Yes there is freedom if you listen to your hart.
“Nothing compares to you” !!,
thank you Sinéad O’Connor for your Life Fight.
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For people who do not want to understand, it is always helpful to point out incorrect language.
People who understand will either remain silent or address the intent.
By the way, phonetically there is little difference between hart and heart and there also appears to be a difference between language use in the US and GB but apparently that is beyond you.
I have a humane trap that I use to relocate meddlesome squirrels, it’s called Havahart 
Does the conditioned brain want to understand anything that doesn’t support what it chooses believe?
When someone says, “there is freedom when you listen to your hart”, are they stating a fact or a belief?
as your answer already shows evidently not.
This seems right. I am caught in wanting to be something, or better the brain is caught in wanting to become something. And by becoming something, anything, it divides itself from everything it is not. The desire to be something arises to give it a sense of ‘security’ and the desire itself dooms it because the goal of total security can never be reached over time, it can never be complete. Conflict, fear is inevitable. Only by being “absolutely nothing” could there be this unassailable security. The security of love?
Doesn’t this ‘absolutely nothing’ exist when one is listening/ looking, which implies ‘absence of thought’; so no measuring, comparing with one’s knowledge? So, there is only the ‘what is’. Isn’t it clear then that there is no security and no fear of no security? It is just a fact.
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So, there is only the ‘what is’. Isn’t it clear then that there is no security and no fear of no security? It is just a fact.
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That sounds right. The listening / looking brain’s awareness (nothingness) negates (transforms) in the moment , the arising and the development of unnecessary thought?
Isn’t that a response from thought? That’s not doing it. That’s not actually listening/looking, is it? So you remain intellectual. Which goes nowhere. You can spend the rest of your life in the intellect, I have met, through various K sites, people who have been intellectually inquiring for many decades and no transformation. A lot of K knowledge stored up in their memory, but no transformation. Not until you do it, not until you listen/look will anything happen.
In addition, K knowledge is a hindrance to transformation.
Describe “what happens”.
K knowledge is not self-knowledge, so it’s no wonder that no brain full of K knowledge has undergone transformation. Piling up knowledge leads to nothing but more knowledge.
Self-knowledge, however, is not the acquisition and accumulation of knowledge because it is finding out through inquiry, what the self is and how it operates; in effect, unlearning what one “knows”.
You sure like to add things to what I say, not acknowledge that you are doing that (though possibly you aren’t aware of it) and then judge me.
You like to accuse me of things you can’t substantiate with evidence.
Bob you go go on K sites, judge from people’s posts that they haven’t ‘transformed’ after many years etc. so please describe what this process is as you understand it, as it happened to you. I understand that the “description is not the described” but I think it would be interesting to hear from someone other than K who had and is living this ‘transformation’.
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I can see where a conditioned brain could make it’s imagined transformation more interesting (if not credible) than the supposedly transformed brains we’ve heard from so far.
It seems to me that if a transformed brain was to post something here, it would never let on that it’s free and unlimited by the conditioning that limits us, but would raise questions that every conditioned brain needs to ponder.
Of course this speculation naively supposes that a transformed brain might not have more urgent things to do than spend time here.
Bob has often times raised the process of ‘listening’, maybe he could elaborate on it and its relation to awakening or transformation?
I can’t wait…
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Transformation means letting go of your conclusion that Bob has not undergone what he feels is a ‘transformative’ experience. I would like to know what it was, were drugs involved, any sort of practice, etc.? Does he feel like he should ‘help’ others?
I don’t doubt that Bob has “undergone what he feels is a ‘transformative’ experience”, but I doubt that it was the radical transformation K talked about.