forget about success
it is a distant mirage
we are failing to communicate
which is the only fact that matters
can we look at this fact without making any picture
of what successful communication might look like?
to find this out
we must think together
until the fruit is ripe and palpable
will you go for it?
it is like a beggar in the street
saying to the rich man
“Will you love me?”
probably you have too much to lose
You say that failure is more fruitful than success, but when asked why you value failure more than success, you say the above.
Why make a statement you don’t know is true?
Here’s something to consider: I can learn more from my failure than my success because success can be a fluke, a matter of chance or circumstance. But the cause of failure is usually apparent, and if I don’t succeed at identifying and acknowledging its cause, my failure is compounded and fruitless.
we have ten thousand years of failure
but we still seek success
our failure is our fact
can we think together about it?
will you go for it?
the seed, the flower and the fruit
are one whole movement in time
unless you plant the seed
the fruit is dead on the vine
I suspect you are Paul Dimmock trying out his new identity.
is this some kind of koan?
I had the same feeling, the ‘I dare you to love me business’…
whoever it is
it’s just another
version of yourself
je suis français
maybe you are
British or American
who cares?
and what is this “I dare you to love me” business?
it sounds like an abomination
of your own making
have you not noticed then
how our very own feelings
prevent us time and again
from thinking together?
but we are more than happy
to run away into thought
led by our feelings
prejudices
opinions
fears
K (Thinking Together) 54:45 Are we together on this? That means you are no longer French and you are no longer British or American. Or you don’t have any hidden desires for fulfilment. See the consequences of all this. When you do and see the result of all this, our minds are together, aren’t they? Then being together in that sense, does that give us the capacity to think together about anything? … Then we are always together.
K 57:13 When you are attentive, really attentive, we are not divided. … Is that not love?
Another Krishnamurti koan: The first step is the last step.
I’m using koan loosely, think Catch-22, paradox, brain teaser, riddle.
This to me is a refutation of the whole guru disciple approach. The step by step approach to enlightenment i.e “Freedom is at the beginning not the end”.
In my mind this is closely related to other K teachings like :
Its the truth that sets you free, not your efforts to find it
or
the confused seeker might well be swimming furiously in the wrong direction
The first and last step is to see the whole process of this experience of selfishness, and thus to be free of it.
This, your latest fake identity, Paul, is worse than the last one.
Why not go back to the KFA discussion forum?
it seems you have some issues here
around false and true identify
who are you in all this?
why are you making
someone else
important?
A flea is important when it’s a nuisance
Sure, at least it was for me from the very moment I read your words trying to make ‘success’ and ‘failure’ into something actually existing, inexplicably contradicting your earlier words about ‘neither you nor I exist’. That’s why I asked the question.
Do you see any conditioning interfering behind what your words are saying?
You keep mentioning “thinking together,” but let me say that what seems to come out of your words is that you are not interested in “thinking together” at all, but simply in a mere dialogue between a self-proclaimed “master” and “ignorant disciples who don’t understand anything.”
I am a clerk in a little office, with all the misery involved in it; the clerk listens and perceives. The man listens and at that moment really sees. That seeing and that perception is the first and the last step. Because, at that moment he has touched truth and he sees something very clearly. - source
So anyone can see the truth anytime but thought in its dominance has made a line between any normal human and the ‘seekers’. As it did breaking up the earth into ‘countries’ and people. Into Spanish, French English, etc
Yes, but this imaginary line has never been an impediment for a a so-called ‘seeker’ to cross the line and walk the… [well, I’m afraid to use the ‘cursed word’ here, so I’ll leave it blank 
] …to look for whatever it is he’s looking for.
This koan compares “enlightenment” to “walking” itself.
Walking is not something you do once and Voila! : you are forever at the ultimate destination.
The destination is always changing, and everytime you have to get up and walk again.
Beautiful words, really touching! … even if they don’t really say anything new to someone who is walking that walk!
Yours?
p.s.: good night and I’ll read you tomorrow.