Ouch!
And a good day to you dear fellow.
It is always good to consider why we pick the fights we do - and please be careful of the line between attacking an argument and picking on the person (remember we all have soft marshmallow centers and some of us have been badly traumatised already)
mac,
Charley doesnât mind. Everyone (and one does mean everyone) who has ever tried to attack Charley (verbally) or otherwise has come to a really bad end, and even those who saw or in some way enabled⌠and did nothing. This was deliberate btw, eh? (grins); first post, and after CharleyâŚ
There are laws, like in:
expressed otherwise as:
or when people say:
Woke up from a wonderful sleep, full of energy, and as usual, woke up meditating⌠Charley is in love with lifeâŚ
In that case I take back everything I said that Karma might have construed as an attack on the being known as Charley (scary and dangerous times we live in!) 
Mac,
K was verbally attacked, and viciously attacked by his teacher when he was a child, eh?
I donât know what attack you are referring to?
It was certainly a pretty singular childhood
I was interested in getting to the âessence/rootâ of anything with you Paul. But, when I read the below posts,
I see itâs an one-way dialogue with Paul Dimmock, and other personâs view are always thrown away to trash by Paul Dimmock, and only âhis views/questionsâ matters a lot. If someone brings their own view, Paul Dimmock is not ready to look into it, so itâs been very difficult to have a dialogue. When Paul Dimmock brings his views, he says âItâs already thereâ. If someone bring their view, he says âDonât bring experience. You donât have same question,so it is rather difficult to know how to proceedâ, and
See? You want other persons to be in âyourâ planet, and not ready to see other personâs views or anything, and only concerned about âanswersâ.
I donât know if he seen this in his life ever, and only concerned about âanswers,answers,answers - in a same stroke in questions,questions,questionsâ of an idea he made up.
Iâm sorry. All my interest gone.
But, if he seen it and understands how much he ignores all other peopleâs views, then Viswa is the first person to be happy, and ready to have a dialogue with whatever question/idea/anything Paul brings up.
Thank you.
Take care. 
Iâm sorry. Iâm not good at language, so couldnât perceive who attacks you in dialogues here. But, itâs just peopleâs beliefs/opinions. Why to get angry on them? They are ignorant. What to do?
Or
I am attacking?? I donât know and please let me know, and if, Iâm sorry. Iâm just blank now, and helpless towards people/inhumane acts, and so very much interested to learn what Charley does in those situations and dialogues here.
And, you well said. Nothing can be done. Maybe nearby people might grasp the good vibration, if we are in it, and thatâs the only thing we can do, and let them get to know/find out themselves, thatâs what it seems. Great to learn it from you.
Yes⌠Thatâs what Iâm uptoâŚ
Thank you Charley. 
Hi Kannagi,
Gâmorning, You are sweet, the above had nothing to do with you. Charley doesnât get angry 
. You are very kind to everyone. Actually, when younger, Charley observed inhumane attacks, Charley moved to âhelpâ. Now that Charley is a senior, Charley moves away. In general, Charley can sense bad things in any area, and moves away beforehand. Lots of siddhis. Actually, one is not surprised by such behaviour⌠Charley isnât surprised by much. Enjoy your dialogues.
Again, you are moving away. What is the essence of pain? Your own psychological pain - no-one elseâs - what is at the core of it?
Hi Carina. Sorry. I couldnât reply there in Wednesday dialogues, as Iâm not a member there from this account, and so Iâm replying here.
âThoughts canât survive alone, it needs itâs oppositeâ.
This thing, is a very very profound one, and I share my observation here, what I got learned from all these years. It might be like an idea/answer, but feel free to check it out without labeling anything about it.
âTHOUGHTS IS EVERYTHINGâ.
Thoughts is Love. Thoughts is Intelligence. Thoughts is Choiceless Awareness. Thoughts is Observation. Thoughts is the life force. All the whole world is a form of thought. All the objects seen is thoughts. All the organs, an effect of thoughts. All emotions, pain-pleasure-sufferings-Bliss, is all thoughts.
First, there was Thoughts as very blissful, some call it love/intelligence/God/anything. But, that is also Thoughts, the first thought to take it. And as you said, âThoughts canât survive alone and creates opposites of âitâs contents already thereââ.
Thoughts is scriptures, Thoughts is religions, Thoughts is Science, Thoughts is Philosophy, Thoughts is Vedanta, Thoughts is Gita, Thoughts is Bible, Thoughts is everything one ever knows/experiences/feels.
Even, all the questions/observations arises about anything (including about thoughts), is also Thoughts.
If thoughts end, nothing remains as world or any other. K say âPsychological thought is dangerâ. But, thoughts cannot be differentiated as âIntelligenceâ and âpsychological thoughtâ. Thought is âwhat-isââŚNothing ever in this world and other, can be experienced in the absence of âthoughtsâ.
Thoughts is âAUMââŚThoughts is five sense-organs⌠Thoughts is human beings⌠Thoughts is living beings⌠Thoughts is nature⌠Thoughts is positive-Negative⌠Thoughts is Duality⌠Thoughts is Observer and the ObservedâŚThoughts is Materials⌠Thoughts is Beauty⌠Thoughts is DestructionâŚThoughts is Sun and Moon⌠Thoughts is PlanetsâŚThoughts is Stars⌠Thoughts is Blackhole⌠Thoughts is âegoâ⌠Thoughts is âCosmic-CobsciousnessââŚThoughts is psych and physic and prana and mind and intellect and intelligence and all emotionsâŚ
Thoughts is the origin, movement and endâŚ
One, who understands all these âby being thoughtsâ - âthrough thoughtsâ - âas thoughtsâ , go - silence - beyond thoughtsâŚPERIODâŚ
Nothing survives alone
re: Kannagiâs post #35
Kannagi,
You are asking what shall we do about the suffering of others. Thereâs no textbook answer for such a thing. As you yourself have said in your own way, if it is in our heart to do something, we act. It may be a hand on someoneâs shoulder, a hug, a smile, a look, a word, an invitation to talk, or sitting quietly with them in awareness. There is surely no controversy in that, no argument.
You also asked what we can do about a person who comes to this forum and turns awareness, compassion, etc. into a goal, who makes efforts to stop thought. If that person also is interested in understanding himself or herself, there is a shared interest and we naturally gravitate to looking into it together. We both are learning. As I see it, there is nothing I can do to âmakeâ another person understand something, just as there is nothing anyone can do to MAKE me understand. The desire to do something is also effort, isnât it. Not the effort to stop our own thoughts, but the effort to influence others. In talking with others - listening and observing - we also learn about ourselves. But it is awareness which is the teacher, not me or you.
So one canât willfully âdo somethingâ about the confusion in the whole of humanity. Each one of us carries a seed within. If one is violent, one sows violence. If one is angry or afraid, one sows anger or fear. If one is peaceful, one sows peace. If I carry the seed of confusion, all my efforts only spread more confusion. So what can I do about my own confusion?
As for the mystery of life, to me, it is unsolvable. Being aware of the mystery does not âsatisfy oneâs questâ, as you put it, or bring peace or bliss. It is simply so.
To me, there is a spontaneous, unfettered, vital energy pulling us towards understanding. Like all of us, I was born, âgivenâ life. Thatâs part of the mystery. One can only live in accordance with oneâs understanding, flaws and shortcomings in this moment.
kannagi,
The above is an from a dialogue group - crinaâs discovery.
However,
The above outlines the problem with intellectual dialogue. It can lead to false conclusions, of which the above only emphasizes the false ideas that came from the ancient Greeks. This is where it comes from:
âAristotle apparently, according to him, has said, âOpposite must exist; otherwise âwhat isâ is non-existent.â Listen to it carefully, please. The opposite must exist otherwise âwhat isâ is non-existent. I am attached, and the opposite is detachment, and if there is no opposite there is no attachment. I am afraid even Aristotle can be mistaken!â
K, Saanen, 2nd Public Dialogue, 1 Aug. 1974
The mistake is to believe that they are just opposite thoughts of the same coin. So, in believing falsely that since thought invented opposites one can imagine (use thoughts some more) to conclude falsely that neither exist.
There are opposites in the world of reality: tall/sort, man/woman, day/night, etc., right?
But, this added to the contribution of the Greeks led people to believe in psychological opposites as well, such as violence and non-violence. It is a fact that there is violence in many people. Violence is the fact. However, non-violence is only an idea about the fact of violence. When one concludes that both are thoughts, and that in bringing them together, they cancel each other out is entirely false. One cannot cancel violence within with another thought. One cannot solve the pain of another, the suffering of another by the thought of wishing it away, by any opposite thought. The only way to end violence in oneself is the seeing of violence within and understanding it. No one has ever cancelled out violence by bringing peace close to violence, by imagining both of them as opposite thoughts. That is just an intellectual trick of the mind.
Peace within is brought about through insight alone as a separate insight, as an aftereffect of negating the entire house that held the âselfâ together.
âGoodnessâ does not exist within the self. It is not the opposite of âbadâ. It is wilfulness that precipitates bad behaviour (abuse), it comes from the self, from the conditioning. This is the danger of seeing everything in terms of thought, and in terms of opposites, all created by thought. No human being created nature. Nature existed long before any human walked on this planet. So, one can easily understand that nature was never created by thought. Hence, nature is not thought.
âIf good is born out of bad then the good contains the bad.â
K, The Flame of Attention, Ch. 4, 2nd Public Talk at Madras, 27 Dec. 1981
It is in only in the seeing of conditioning which originally caused the mischief which will leads to the end of any issue. Bad behaviour (abuse) does not necessarily turn over on a theoretical opposite side to reveal goodness. Afterwards, goodness may only come to life within through correct behaviour/right action.
âŚAll of this to say that thought nor any amount of clever play of words cannot end suffering.
What does âsufferingsâ mean to you? Letâs not play games with pain and sufferings.
If I may give my conditioned answer : suffering is what we do in order to provoke the actions that might lead to further progress and security. it is what we call the unpleasant feeling accompanying fear and desire.
If I suffer because I compare myself with somebody who has more money or is more intelligent , that kind of suffering is created by thought. If I am a Christian I believe that jesses suffered for all Christians. To macdougdoug as he says suffering is a form of effort. So suffering has different meanings. There is also physical suffering of a toothache and so on.
Iâd say more like what might provoke an effort, or condition a reaction.
Suffering is basically the self in movement. It exists in various forms and degrees within many sentient creatures - instilled by evolution because its a highly succesful mechanism.
Also it feels really scary and bad.
Thats sensation - electrical impulses to the brain - for there to be suffering, fear needs to be involved.