Attachment causes us pain, sorrow, jealousy, and other feelings that are unhealthy. I understand detachment to be an attachment to be detached. Thus, this also ends up as an attachment.
What is required is to effortlessly reduce or minimize attachment towards humans, animals, pets, objects, and thoughts, ideas, groups, religions. This detachment could only come about as the result of an insight and/or sudden transformation?
Can we practice for this ?
We could I suppose include the theory of why (ie. the purpose) the self discriminates (eg. survival and progress), and the causes (eg. evolution) that led to this happening. But that doesn’t seem important in the context of this discussion so far.
Maybe we can follow this inquiry with @Subramaniam and see where it takes us - ?
Would you like to try that ? Something different for a change?
This seems to be what we are saying : attachment/identification is a function of self.
I was saying that it doesn’t even really matter now, in this thread as it has unfolded so far.
My comment to you was really a proposition that we not tie ourselves up in big knot of increasingly twisted ideas, which seems to be our usual vibe - but rather look at the ideas already on the table and see what its like to unravel each one.
Name a few of these “increasingly twisted ideas”, please, because I don’t know what you’re referring to.
but rather look at the ideas already on the table and see what its like to unravel each one.
The “ideas” I’ve brought to the table are:
(1) We are confused and conflicted because our thinking is incoherent, the fusion of practical and psychological thought; that this train of incoherent thought is constant, and all we can do is be acutely aware of its movement and content.
(2) The conditioned brain is limited to belief, disbelief, honest acknowledgment of what it does not really know, and doing what it can to explore and discover what is demonstrably true or false.
(3) The conditioned brain cannot free itself of the effect of its psychological content until/unless it can see that content for what it is, but because the conditioned brain cannot actually “see”, directly perceive anything, it must first be free to see what has enslaved and limited it.
Which of these “twisted ideas” would you like to “unravel” first?
Our own ideas might seem like the most important points - and we can look into them if you like - but for the moment, can we both take a step back on this particular thread and leave the limelight on what @Subramaniam is inquiring into?
Maybe he is still pondering the question?
Because it’s irresponsible and reckless to make an alarming statement about what you see going on in this forum - a statement about which you won’t say anything more, as if sounding the alarm matters more than whether the alarm is false or not.
You’re saying there’s a snake and all I can see is a coiled rope. So I ask you to tell me why you see a snake and you ask me why I ask, implying that your snake is no worse than my coil of rope, which is not true. A snake demands attention because its dangerous, but after sounding the snake alarm, you want to shift attention to the one who sees no snake.
I’m saying : what’s going on ? Right now - can it be seen and allowed to dissipate without any trace but relief?
Or is what you think I want, what you think I’m saying, the whole domineering truth and ultimate reality of need?
Anyway, forget it - which idea of yours do you think we should address first?
(please choose the most important one, I might change my name and run away to Tierra del fuego to avoid addressing all of them)
Yes, and after asking whether we could be aware of the reality we were experiencing (whether relief was possible) - I have agreed to accommodate the authoritarian principal being expressed.
By which I mean that the best outcome for our interaction is probably to validate your experience of reality. The experience that demands confirmation.
I’m not happy with what must amount to a reinforcement of the self as a truth detecting entity (whose experience confirms its projections) - but anyways : I will point out what seems to me to be the most obviously twisted ideas expressed in this thread.