No ‘I’ in the world…what a relief! 
“You, me, they” is the only reality. We exist, but we mistake the everlasting “I” which is awareness, with the contents of our experiences. Therefore, the experiences become important, but not the experiencer. Therefore, K talks about experiencing without the experiencer. That is my very limited understanding of what K says:unamused:
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Howdy Pravin,
So firstly, this “everlasting I” is something very different from the “self” (?)
Who is the experiencer? me/small self? or the everlasting I?
I’m not following. If the experiencer is the self, why is its importance separated from the experience?
At the moment of experiencing, there is only awareness of experiencing. Then the brain creates a memory, and that is stored in the brain, and the ego arises. If there is only experiencing and no recording of that experience, then one could say there was only pure awareness. And action can flow from that.
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If there’s nothing (no recording) to reflect on, one doesn’t know what to say. One doesn’t even know what happened.
Can one do anything that takes time without memory?
We can only try to imagine what “pure awareness” is, and believe that it isn’t recorded, so it’s all speculation.
Throughout the day, we see, hear thousands of things, but we don’t recall everything. That does not mean there was no awareness, but the ego didn’t come and record it all. But if someone calls me an idiot, the brain will record that. So, can there be a complete awareness of someone calling me an idiot, but it leaves no mark. Perhaps intelligence comes and sees that if that is recorded, it will become a memory and I will be in conflict with that person for ever. So, the brain does not record it.
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That might be ‘wishful thinking’. A desire for change? That things ‘happen’ differently? We may actually be in a situation where the only real possibility for us, is to ‘see’ what we do, with curiosity and caring? See the observer ‘me’ being separate from the observed? And how loneliness and fear and sorrow are so inevitable in that way of viewing the world.
We don’t really know if the brain recalls everything that happened today, and tonight while sleeping, edit the day’s recording down to what’s most significant.
can there be a complete awareness of someone calling me an idiot, but it leaves no mark. Perhaps intelligence comes and sees that if that is recorded, it will become a memory and I will be in conflict with that person for ever.
Perhaps, but that’s speculation. If there was complete attention, remembering the insult does no harm, and in fact is better remembered than not. Where there’s intelligence, what harm can memory do?
I think it’d be more accurate to say that covering up fear is the real problem. If you have the psychological ability to neutralize fear through memory, images, etc., then fear instead manifests as boredom, loneliness, suffering. All of these are attempts by the mind to cover up the the emptiness which a finite little mind is naturally terrified of.
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Time is the creator of loneliness. There is no fear in the present but thinking about what may happen tomorrow brings fear into the present. Thought or thinking can’t resolve the problem of fear. If thought can’t end fear what does?
Fear ends when time as the me or you or them ends.
It really means wipe the I out.
Covering up anything is always a problem, but there is no fear without desire, so why do we emphasize fear? Isn’t it because desire is self-induced pleasure, fear is self-induced pain, and pain is more demanding than pleasure?
If desire was funny, and every time you had the desire to do or to have something, it made you laugh, that would be the end of it and you would never fear not doing or having what it was you momentarily desired.
Yes, Desmond, I would say awareness is the same as Self. Sorry about the delay in answering your message.
Well thanks for trying, and thanks for calling me Desmond I hope you were thinking of Desmond Dekker, rather than Desmond Tutu : I try not to preach.
Unfortunately you seem to have merely repeated one of your initial statements :
From which I presume that by “everlasting I” and capital S “Self” you are referring to a Vedanta like concept, namely “Atman” (universal soul/breath?). Am I tracking correctly?
Sorry about your name. Funnily enough, perhaps that was on my mind, hadn’t listened to Desmond Decker for a long time, but just last week he appeared suddenly on my ytube. I was listening to “Israelites” and “A It Mek.” Took me back to my youth, long time ago, and perhaps that was on my mind!
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You are tracking correctly
I think you are missing a point here. A point that K has pointed out on so many occasions and by merely repeating it it might lose its importance.
We seem to forget to investigate in the fact that we are fear. That we are not seperated from it.
We might talk about it, write books about it, endlessly.
But unless we feel seperate from that overwhelming feeling, it will all be in vain.
Just take it or… leave it!
What is the point of me, if not to fear?
If there is no fear what is the point of me? What is a me, separate from fear?
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This seems to be the basic difference between someone like JK and others and the rest of us, that by some mental event in their time here on Earth they were able to say, “I don’t mind what happens”.
(JK called it, his “secret”.)
‘Fear’ IS minding what happens. I mind what happens and I mind what COULD, what MIGHT happen! How does one not mind what happens?
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Not quite sure why I got a message from you. I don’t even remember mentioning fear. As for repetition, perhaps you should a Google search and see how often he says “ the observer is the observed.” 10,000 times, a conservative estimate? Don’ bother replying, I am leaving this group.
This seems to be the basic difference between someone like JK and others and the rest of us, that by some mental event in their time here on Earth they were able to say, “I don’t mind what happens”.
(JK called it, his “secret”.)
‘Fear’ IS minding what happens. I mind what happens and I mind what COULD, what MIGHT happen! How does one not mind what happens?
Anyone here not mind what happens?