What (Ultimately) Matters?

Out of the infinite number of blades of grass, and leaves, I was seen and held for a moment.
No one saw me before, no one will see me soon after.
Do I matter ?
Or, is my own existence, what matters…

Photo taken Now.


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Same thing I realised yesterday when I was in a railway station here in India. There were literary tens of thousands of people. All like me, all probably believing world exists through them. They being centre of world but actually really temporary.
We exist only in relation to the world, as part of it, just like that blade of grass. Our meaning is in relation to the whole, as part of world or nature.

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Inherent, absolute, wholly independent (of anything) Truth might just be a conceptual construct, a fairy tale for spiritual seekers and philosophers. Or it might be real, the realest of all, the only real real quoting our friends from Advaita. If it is real, a lifelong Quest to find/realize it makes sense, has value, perhaps even inherent value. If it is a fairy tale, the Quest seems pathetic, a grand time/energy/passion waste.

Is it a choice? If you believe in the quest, you choose to pursue it. If you see the quest as self-aggrandizing folly, you choose less grandiose gratifications.

If you’re perfectly ambivalent, however, you can see that choosing is a mistake when you have no choice but to remain with the ever-unfolding present.

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It’s interesting, the question: Can I choose to believe or not believe? Does belief just kind of happen, reflexively, like a sneeze? Or does it require intentionality?

Do I choose what I choose to believe? :crazy_face:

Is possible for you to choose to choose to believe the unbelievable? :cold_face:

Yes we have no choice but to be here/now, even if we are deep in daydream of there/then, we are doing that here/now. But I don’t see how that leads to ‘choosing is a mistake.’

If choosing when you have no choice isn’t a mistake, I suppose you could call it insanity, but I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

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We agreed there is no choice but to be here/now. But it doesn’t follow that there is no choice, period, perhaps even the right/skillful choice for the situation. How is ‘doing the right thing’ a mistake?

Didn’t K answer this question a long time ago?

Yes, we must make choices all the time, but reasonable, practical, necessary choices made within the context of what actually is and can’t be chosen to be otherwise.

… some one once said ‘nothing’ doesn’t exist … there is always something, and it’s changing! :slight_smile:

Absolutely nothing. To “matter” is to be of concern … to thought.

Yes, but is that the end of the story? What might it mean to matter inherently? Does love matter?

I don’t think anything matters “inherently” because, as I said, “to matter” is a fabrication of thought. Does love matter you ask. I don’t know. First define “love” for me, then I can … well, think about it :wink:

Does defining love kill love? Or wound it? Is it a feeling that, when present, is unmistakable but resists all forms of intellectualization? Or can descriptions of love enhance it?

Do we have to learn to love? Or to hate? Or to be neutral?

Right. What I meant is that “love” is one of those concepts that, like “god”, mean (widely) different things to different people and also, probably, the reason why you find difficulty defining it is because the kind of love produced by thought isn’t real.

Q : What creates value?

A : Sentience (ie. being able to experience feelings) - makes the outside world appear as something that has meaning in relation to me .

You’re saying value only applies (makes sense) when there is a sentient being doing the valuing? Outside the realm of sentient agents, there is no value and, by extension no right, wrong, good, bad, love, hate, war, peace? All in the eye of the beholder? (Is the universe a beholder?)

No probably not…more like the beholder IS the beholded.

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