What does it mean to learn?

Common sense just means I think that I am experiencing reality. Your whole being wants you to protect itself - you must choose : freedom/clarity or identity/fear. The only reason to choose psychological death is because being you is not enough.

This sounds interesting,
What is the difference between learning and feeling? I think both are the same. The question is that are we paying attention to our system? when the sensation is taking place.
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Because of other activity I had to remain silent for sometime, I missed the forum discussion with this group.

When there is no gap between perception and action, that action is complete; it is not distorted by thought or time. Insight is a form of perception. Therefore, the really important question is about why we chase after knowledge, why we spend time getting to the truth, why we seek resolution to a problem without immediately ending the problem.

I do not know, what this sentence is pointing at. All I know is that disappointment is related to negative sensation. I feel that if such sensations takes place, automatically we can understand the state of our system.

So it is the urge to be more, bigger, less limited?

If I am feeling without paying attention to the act of feeling, it is just feeling, but if I am paying attention to it, it is learning?

Your words are making sense to me but if we do not pay attention then there could be a shift in operating point.

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Have you learned nothing from this exchange?

“Enough” is probably a bad word then - What about : The only reason to choose death is the realisation that I am the cause of suffering?

I thought you meant that we will all experience disappointment.

And with what you say now, I still think that is what you mean - except that you use the word “understand” instead of “experience” - if I am wrong please clarify : why do you say we automatically understand? - does this mean we have understood what disappointment is or that we know what disappointment feels like?

Who has the realization, who does the choosing?

(I know, I know: Not the dreaded boring “Who has … ? Who does … ?” questions again! But, honestly, are there any existential questions that matter more than these?)

There is nothing I can say which does not get derision from you.

When I say, I don’t know what to do, I am pointing to an actual state. It is the “knowing not what to do”. Knowing not what to do, there are no thoughts, no emotional activity, no thinking what it is, or is not, or thinking what others things it could be. I don’t understand why this is seen as an ability. When, advice, or opinion is added, it is not the “knowing what to do” is it? Why do I have to clarify this? Isn’t the habit of knowing and thinking, and this is the self image, getting in the way?

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Why does it matter?
I’ll say it is the brain, (maybe a neurologist, a psychologist and a homeless guy will point at something different) - and its not really choosing, there is no choice - whether the conditioning comes from delusion or clarity.

To know who or what the subject is is to know who or what the self is.

The body of all knowledge on even a single subject cannot be known by any one person (true or false?)
The body of all knowledge on any subject may contain errors. (true?)

My premise therefore, in things intellectual, is to keep it simple, stick to the main, undeniable facts.

If you are in agreement, what are the main undeniable facts about self (the experience of being a me)? - start with what you think are one or two facts to begin with.

I can work with this. :slight_smile:

I have a body that is physically separate from other bodies and things. No one in the universe (afaik) experiences the sensations in the nobody body.

I have a mind that is mentally separate from other minds. No one in the universe experiences the mental activity in the nobody mind.

Note: Clearly separate, but not 100% separate.

Not what I was expecting at all :face_with_monocle:

You seem to be saying that our bodies (meaning the human body, arms and legs etc) are not touching each other and not touching other substances (does not seem true, but also insignificant - maybe I should have said : keep it simple but significant? - setting aside whether this statement is factual, is it important?)

I don’t understand what this “nobody body” that you are referring to, means.

Good! Keep you on your toes. :wink: (As you keep me on mine.)

Not at all what I was trying to say. Rather, that there is a clear ‘demarcation’ between my body and any other body or thing. This contributes to a feeling of self vs. not-self.

nobody is my name in this forum, so the nobody-body is my body.