All of us here would agree that this is true, but none of us are living demonstrations of it because believing is just thinking.
Yes if it is true, it is the ‘thinking’ that maintains the ‘false’ reality.
When someone asked K what happened to him, he said “the ocean fell into a drop.”
A poetic way of saying, “thought went down the drain”.
It occurs to me that perhaps K called the self “evil” because to him, its presence in the brain, condemns it to a lifetime of isolation and mediocrity.
Without understanding what it was allowing, ‘sold its birthright for a mess of potage’.
And what about to you?
It’s dysfunctional, but I don’t know if it’s evil because (I assume) evil knows what it’s doing, and the human brain doesn’t seem to be aware of what it’s actually doing as it sustains the illusion of self.
is it positive thinking when there is description of thinking without distinction .
i ask , if we start to whish distinction wasn’t there .
The word is not ever the object, the subject, the ideal, the belief, the state, the idea that the word is describing, or talking about. To think is not ever the path to Love, it is the tool to understand the mechanical, and the technical aspects of reality not the ideological, and every false thought on life, and how to live rightly in life. There is no use of hindsight, thought, formula, patterns, ideas and memory, that can ever lead a human being to the unknown field of flowering in awareness, insights, perception, or the living truth and produce the Unknown, the new, the creative, in insights. In flashes of non continuous light in awareness, as a reality in any human beings life.
The brain is a magnificent tool, and that tool invented all the thought in the world that was never alive, and will never be alive. The tool insists on its beliefs about what thought can do, and achieve in the cosmos, yet the tool has never produced one living thing, from the start, one original seed not cloned and modified, , and has never produced awareness in any human being, or animal in the entire world. Thinking is not ever a state of Love. The hard drive thinking of an AI chat helper, or a human memory will never be a state of Love that can only come in awareness, and not ever in thinking, and an afterthought. See these things for yourselves
Forgive me to interfere in your conversation, but I needed to say this:
With the exception of physically blind people, our gaze constantly informs us about our environment (of whatever kind)…
…in fact, we don’t want to survive
Or to put it another way, we only want to get rid of that which gives us dissatisfaction, and keep that which gives us pleasure; refusing to accept that that which gives us pleasure, is the cause of that which causes us dissatisfaction
In any case, no one will mourn the extinction of human beings caused by their own stupidity, not even God.
I don’t know if you realize this, but this statement negates what you said before it. If everything you list after that statement is of “no use” and “can ever lead a human being to the unknown”, then you are denying that “thinking is the tool for understanding”, i.e. the main function of a screwdriver cannot be carried out without a screw to screw or unscrew it.
Are you saying perhaps that Krishnamurti and the rest where not human beings? 
… Are you a human being?
Awareness is the tool for perception and understanding. Thought is the tool for science and technical information and a tool cannot ever be anything else. The brain can learn but the brain is also a tool and that tool invented psychological and ideological divisions.I did not say all thought is of no use. hindsight is useful just not anything that can ever be followed to the real truth about life and receptivity of the brain.Thought is not the creator of life or awareness. . .
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The psyche is a biological hard drive. Much like the hard drives in a computer but their memory is much better than ours. Would you ask your hard drive to create something new for you? The hard drive in human beings and computers does not receive insights it can only calculate, and modify and invent from the known. Creativity comes in awareness not from hindsight and memory. .
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It seems to me that until/unless the brain puts thought in its proper place, it hasn’t a clue as to what love is and can’t say anything about love that isn’t thought talking.
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So you are saying that the brain, being a tool, can be nothing more than a mere inventor of psychological and ideological divisions. And that as a tool it serves no other purpose, right?
Well, I wonder what you’re going to do with this…
.…if we are to have a conversation together and to talk seriously about these matters, …()… one must have a brain that is constantly enquiring, questioning, doubting.
…and this, then?
May we go on? You are not tired? Are you sure you are not tired? You should be, because if you are actively co-operating in this, your brain must be active, questioning, asking, looking, experimenting as you are going on
p.s.: bonus track from the same source…
So our brain is conditioned. And whether it is possible to be free from that conditioning. Do you understand my question? There are those who say it is not possible; and they are not stupid people but very intelligent people. They say it is not possible because how can a brain which has been conditioned for so many centuries upon centuries, how can that conditioning be wiped away completely so that the human brain is extraordinarily pristine, original, capable of infinite capacity. Many people assert this, and are merely satisfied in modifying it, modifying the condition. But we are saying that this conditioning can be examined, can be observed and there can be total freedom from that conditioning.
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Love is not a found in a word, a sentence, a paragraph, a description or a book written in any ancient or modern language. The word door is no more a door than the words anyone has ever written about love are really the movement of love on earth. The same can be said of all words in every language known to mankind… .
Contradictions come to mind semi automatically it would seem.
But how can it be reasonable to challenge others with our contradictions?
Someone tells me conditioning can end in the human being. If I just believe them I cannot find out the truth about that statement myself. If they ask me not to do that. Not to take on their ideas as my own? I have to inquire myself. Is that not clear?
Could you elaborate on what exactly you mean by this @macdougdoug ? I think it could be an interesting point to investigate.
What’s the point of trying to clarify something that someone else already clarified a long time ago?
The more complex .If I do not like someone’s challenge am I a mind reader that they are challenging me with one of their ideas and beliefs and not a real inquiry from personal interest, in making things more simple and clear? Infinite capacity can be misunderstood as self becoming or becoming the wind and the cosmos. I am certain infinite capacity means the willingness to be in a learning new state not a godlike state .