"Time is my enemy" Krishnamurti

Why did Krishnamurti say that?

He said psychological time is the enemy of change. Psychological time is recognizing something you want to become and then the time interval it takes that you spend to try become that, which he argues is a fallacy. When there is a “will” to become, do, or change, what is and what should be come into play which implies division.

Tbh this sounds like a real “why try?” situation. I don’t know if I see his point. He agreed that chronological time exists, so what’s the difference between that and psychological? Is the difference distinctly objective, or does it become separated upon observation?

Trying, or hoping that tomorrow, you will be as you should be, is the problem. Basing our experience on this imagined future self, is the psychological delusion, because actually, whenever we find ourselves, we are dealing with ourselves as we are, right now.

And isn’t it that what I am in this moment is the only thing I could be? Or else I would be something different. So the desire to be different than I am, or you to be different than you are or the world to be different than it is, is just that, desire that takes me away from ‘what is’ into a psychological imaginary ‘time’ that doesn’t exist. This is what is behind his comment, as I see it, that “change is the denial of change.”

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What cannot change, if we are unaware of the delusion, is that the self is the constant effort to become what should be. (aka Psychological time)
Of course, the delusion changes instantly, when seen.
Death is the word we use for actual change. Reincarnation is a word pointing to the constant arising of the old me.

Or “freedom from the known”?

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Freedom from the known - can be described as realising that I am merely the process of suffering based on experience and desire - which means that being dependant on this non-entity is necessarily the continuation of suffering.

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And if I’m not that, what am I?

Freed from the dictat of fear, we are :

Like eddies in a stream, the patterns arising from all that is.

Like a swinging door, or breath coming and going, mind embracing its own movement.

So no ‘I’ in all this?..


Maybe the best conclusion is the old non-conclusion of neti neti (and all that jazz)

No ‘I’, no ‘center’ anywhere, seems fine.

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Yes, but ‘right now’ is a conceptual-perceptual construct. It’s a feeling, not an objective reality. (See: specious present.) Objectively there is no now, it’s like the infinitesimal duration from calculus. I am a process, a swarm of micro/macro interconnected causes and results. I am not a stream, I am streaming. To see, feel, and behave from a gut-level understanding of this is imo intelligence. I only catch glimpses.

It might be more correct (and more easily accessible to certain twisted souls/complex intellects :rofl:) to say : we are always in a relation with our current experiential projections.

To be free from the need to act from this center at all, is the permission for the universal to flow freely.

So there is no psychological evolution or growth. We are what we are, envious, frightened, anxious, emotional , compulsive. And to learn about what we are is an art. The first thing is not to condemn or avoid the emotion. And that might be the last thing to do. Condemnation is our conditioning or habit. And habits are difficult to break.

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Yes - maybe we can make a distinction between the practical present, and the true Now… ?

The practical present is just whatever one is thinking, feeling, sensing insofar as one is aware of this thinking, feeling, sensing.

The “specious present” is a theory about the nature of chronological time, which requires a theoretical unpicking*. So to employ a theory like the “specious present” to avoid the practical present may be itself rather specious!

The true Now as such would only have meaning or actuality for a mind completely free from the psychological movement of time - i.e. a mind that is totally empty. As such a Now is likely to be an idea for us, and not an actuality, one can also question whether it is relevant to the awareness of the practical present.

So the practical present is all one needs to be aware of one’s conditioning.

*[As I’ve mentioned to Rick elsewhere, I think this can be done at the level of physical theory - in particular that of David Bohm’s implicate order. But to explore this takes one out of the practical present.]

By saying that there is no becoming something else tomorrow, isn’t that negating there being a difference between “dealing with what we are right now” and not dealing with what we are? Isn’t it kind of a paradox? Because its 2 different mind states, separated by what then, if not time? Someone please help me answer this

‘Twisted soul,’ mais oui, merci. ‘Complex intellect,’ hmm, I’d say: colorful?

What center?

Me. The all important agent at the center of its environment. Acting from what I know, for what I want.

I am a smoker. “I will stop smoking tomorrow” is just a lie, that I tell in order to feel better about my life. Because I am a smoker.

No point believing in lies if you are interested in truth.
Philosophical hypotheticals, confusing paradoxes etc are usually just stories being confronted.