I know I, me, is suffering, so what would the misunderstanding be?
So yes, the idea that we cannot see clearly without first attaining some sort of clarity is a strong one.
Okay, how do we explore awareness then? Can you describe that process?
And you would never expect to. Why would they say such a thing if it didn’t serve their purpose? What’s your purpose in believing all human beings are the same?
The self is unaware and to talk only at that level is an addition or playing with illusion.
Are we talking levels here?
If we talk about war without exploring peace, it is illusion.
It depends what you mean by “talk”. If someone talks about war because they’re interested in why we we do it and feel the need to understand, and someone talks about war because war is more exciting and consequential, they’re both talking about war. Where’s the illusion?
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Mechanical in the sense that repeats itself and finds security in that repetition. But Truth is always new , the old brain resists the new. The conflict between “what should be " and " what is” is sustained by the old and dead brain.
I don’t know how its understood - but what might be lacking is an overwhelming sense of responsibility.
Maybe (we can’t help but speculate), but “suffering” doesn’t mean much to me if my suffering isn’t insufferable.
Why shouldn’t I suffer? Don’t I reap what I sow? Aren’t I constantly sowing death instead of new life?
I’m suffering the consequences of my behavior, and my suffering is my guide. If I can’t learn from my mistakes, my suffering is compounding.
Maybe it has to compound until its insufferable, or maybe the brain transforms naturally, effortlessly, without reaction, and the change does nothing for the changed, and everything for all else.
Or, we can look at it from outside and say, What or who ever is to blame for the condition that defines and confines us, it’s my fault for not ending it now.
I suppose that it is a possibility that by freeing the transformed finer energy granted to us as humans and releasing it (since we can) to return to the Creator that we may be fulfilling our real birthright?
Making us feel better and reducing the Creator’s strain? Win win!
Sorry to ask, but do you believe in a “Creator”; a Creator who is “strained”? Doesn’t One have to be omniscient and omnipresent to be a Creator? Can such a Being be strained?
Next time you’re chatting with The Creator, ask Him why His attempt to address the human condition has done more harm than good.
I’ve never had the privilege but if I do….
If I simply say, do nothing, you will not accept it, because you are caught in doing. Awareness can only be explored negatively, non-doing and not in thought doing. Awareness is not the activity of thought. If you try to explore awareness through thought activity, it’s not possible, just like sleep is not possible through thinking activity as sleep is natural and has nothing to do with thought. So awareness is natural and has nothing to do with thought. Peace is natural and has nothing to do with war activity. Wars will continue as long as thought is active. We give importance to thought in day to day life. Our life gets somehow defined by thought. Peace, awareness is absent. If you are interested in peace, silence, awareness you will not give too much importance to thought activity. You will answer if question is asked, otherwise mind is silent.
In sleep we forget everything of our day to day activities and there is only silence, peace. There is no you in it, whether you are king or poor, Indian or American, in sleep all is absent. During waking hours thought is active as me, in sleep me is resting or absent.
It shows that there is a state beyond me which is absent of me. State that has nothing to do with me. You can call it awareness. After restful sleep mind is silently aware before it gets caught in day to day activity.
It shows awareness has nothing to do with thought, me activity. But we get caught in me activity once we wake up. We believe thought is necessary to live or act in life. It is an illusion. Awareness is living and it has nothing to do with thought activity
Practical thought is an illusion?
Isn’t that like saying a necessary tool is an illusion?
Only awareness is practical. If you are going through life without being aware of what you are doing in daily life, you are highly impractical. This awareness cannot be brought down to level of thought. It is something completely different from words.
Try to function in life without sleep, it is highly impractical and unnatural.
Topic “There no Thinker, Only thought”.
To understand “Thought, Thinking, Thinker” - it is essential to understand genesis of thought and begin with how thought comes into existence.
Does Thought Comes into existence from the process of " Experience ( Sensory Organs) => Experience Creates Information ( Function of Brain) => Information is stored in Brain Memory => What is stored as Memory becomes Knowledge => From that Knowledge comes the THOUGHT.
Hence EXPERIENCE => Memory => Knowledge => THOUGHT/THINKING. So Genesis of THOUGHT IS EXPERIENCE.
NO EXPERIENCE <=> NO KNOWLEDGE/THOUGHT.
Uses of Knowledge -
- Physical Space ( For Living Purposes - Language, Skills, Farming, Telecom, Surgery etc). KNOWLEGDE/THOUGHT is necessary for survival.
- Psychological Space ( Operates purely in Human Relationships - Becoming ( I am this and want to that), Emotions ( Jealousy, Anger, Love, Friendship, Companionship etc) and Relationship with Nautre). KNOWLEGE/THOUGHT is USELESS IN THIS SPACE, BECAUSE, KNOWLEDGE BEING PAST ALWAYS INTERFERES IN PRESENT.
Important Questions to ask to understand and explore the question " THERE IS NO THINKER,ONLY THOUGHT"
- What is the relevance of KNOWLEDGE/THOUGHT “in Survival” and “in Human Relationship”? Is there a difference of usage of KNOWLEDGE in aforesaid spaces.
- Can Human Beings have capacity to “NO TO RECORD” the EXPERIENCES that become KNOWLEDGE/THOUGHT. If YES, can they do it in the space of Human Relationships? What is that state of living which enables one “NOT TO RECORD”. Is it attention, listening, being in active present, be aware etc.
- What is THOUGHT and TIME in the context of Psychological Space ( I am this and want to be that )? In Physical space it is relevant using Time and Thought based on SUNRISE/SUNSET ( Time to Travel from Place A to B, Make a Chair by Carpenter etc.).
- Is there a Division and Difference between Observer and What is being Observed? What causes this separation between Observer and Observed.
- Is thought interfering in our process of experience? Why is it interfering? Is PAST "EXPEREINCE/MEMORY/KNOWLEGE/THGOUHT) interfering in active Present? Why?
- What changed the course of History of Human beings to become What they are today? Is it the usage of " THOUGHT" that changed course of Human Existence. Is the beginning of use knowledge/thought in human relationships, that altered “WAY OF LIVING”. Is by nature “THOUGHT” is always DIVISIVE in its being in HUMAN RELATIONSHIP.
- Does animals use KNOWLEDGE/THOUGHT for survival? or DO THEY SIMPLY: ACT => LEARN => ACT and LEARN TO ACT AGAIN and ALWAYS - without the interference of THOUGHT/KNOWLEDGE. Animals see a need then Survival Instincts Kicks into Action, They Learn and they ACT Again.
In one of the talks JK says “To ask a question is not to find an answer, but to discover and find out for oneself”.
Finally, “WHAT YOU THINK IS WHAT YOU BECOME”. In THIKING one becomes THOUGHT.
I think we may not be successful in trying to distinguish as physical thought and psychological thought in daily life. We could distinguish as awareness and unawareness. A politician will consider his task in war to be practical, the destruction, killing as practical, unavoidable. It doesn’t help at all to end war. You as a third person can see it as psychological. So calling something as practical thought does not help in any way. If we question this person to say, are you aware at all? All human beings are same, then maybe there might be a change, if he realises that he was unaware of a basic fact. Exploring awareness might help as it questions unawareness, aims to negate unawareness
Yes, we know awareness is not thought.
Try to function in life without sleep, it is highly impractical and unnatural.
Do you function without practical thought?
If you know awareness is not thought, then you are functioning not with thought but in undivided awareness.
Thought is selfish and divisive. This so called practical thought, which is really just thought, not practical or impractical, is not really practical as it has not worked
Why are you so concerned with others , it puzzles me… …
Not true. You couldn’t have conceived and written the above without thought.
Thought is selfish and divisive. This so called practical thought, which is really just thought, not practical or impractical, is not really practical as it has not worked,
If practical thought was as flawed and impractical as you say, there would be no technology, no computer to write your beliefs with, no internet to post them with.
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