You could ask for clarification. “Am I an idiot or am I stupid? I can’t be both, can I?”
It means that the illusion of being something more or less than the organism and its intellect, is gone.
How can I know my problem is “lack of courage” if I haven’t acted courageously enough to find out?
If I have acted courageously enough to find out that my problem was lack of courage, can I encourage others “to open the door to the unknown” by telling them they lack courage, or by encouraging them to find out for themselves what courage is?
It’s useful to post here to see what models about all this thought has come up with in order to see if my model could be leading me up a ‘blind alley’ where I see myself fearlessly throwing open doors into the unknown or on the other hand, cowardly shrinking fearfully away from the task!
It’s useful to post here to see what models about all this thought has come up with in order to see if my model could be leading me up a ‘blind alley’ where I see myself fearlessly throwing open doors into the unknown or on the other hand, cowardly shrinking fearfully away from the task!
Does thinking I lack courage encourage me to throw caution to the wind or discourage me?
If courage is what’s lacking, maybe I don’t know what courage is, and I need to find out.
If courage is what’s lacking, maybe I don’t know what courage is, and I need to find out.
Courage, actual courage may have something to do with ‘staying with’ what arises in oneself rather than running away to something else…than trying to change what is? That, seems to be ‘intelligence’. Understanding more and more deeply about oneself that self knowledge involves ‘courage’ (intelligence) to not move away from what is presented in the moment. That if this moment could be different, it would be. It’s not. It’s exactly what it is.
Judgement about oneself is foolishness.
Something in our life needs to overcome the barrier to seeing the whole picture of self (K calls it immense energy) - I’m calling it causes and conditions, meaning : that which provides the immense energy - which could be anything : one’s upbringing, life experiences, etc…
Thanks @macdougdoug, now I understand what you meant.
How can I know my problem is “lack of courage” if I haven’t acted courageously enough to find out?
We don’t need any courage to see that we are afraid to step over the threshold of the unknown without any handhold at hand. So-called “courage” comes later… or not, with the self beginning its main entertainment which is speculation in its attempt to justify its inaction.
It’s useful to post here to see what models about all this thought has come up with in order to see if my model could be leading me up a ‘blind alley’ where I see myself fearlessly throwing open doors into the unknown or on the other hand, cowardly shrinking fearfully away from the task!
Yes, it all depends on oneself. No rewards, no one to tap me on the back saying “you’re doing well, kid”. No external or internal recognition. Just a tremendous loneliness walking a path that I don’t know where it might lead me, no matter how much I have speculated/imagined about what I will (or won’t) find at the end of the road (if it has an end). And it takes courage to let go of any hold that might give me some kind of security as I walk the path; either to set out on the path, or to recognise that I can’t take it because of my fear not having any certainty that it will do me any good.
Just a tremendous loneliness walking a path that I don’t know where it might lead me, no matter how much I have speculated/imagined about what I will (or won’t) find at the end of the road (if it has an end). And it takes courage to let go of any hold that might give me some kind of security as I walk the path; either to set out on the path, or to recognise that I can’t take it because of my fear not having any certainty that it will do me any good.
No Fraggle, there is no path here, that was K’s message: Truth is a pathless land”. No ‘door’. Nothing or no one to ‘follow’. No ‘getting to the end’ of anything. Except of course the death of the body. Which as he said, has already happened somewhere, so why not get out now?
We can entertain the fairy tales about paths and doors to the unknown because we can’t see that “the house is burning”! ‘Paths’ are just another distraction. As I see it.
We don’t need any courage to see that we are afraid to step over the threshold of the unknown without any handhold at hand. So-called “courage” comes later… or not, with the self beginning its main entertainment which is speculation in its attempt to justify its inaction.
So we are to assume that you have stepped “over the threshold of the unknown”, that you know why we have not taken that step, and you know what we can expect once we have?
No Fraggle, there is no path here, that was K’s message: Truth is a pathless land”. No ‘door’. Nothing or no one to ‘follow’. No ‘getting to the end’ of anything. Except of course the death of the body. Which as he said, has already happened somewhere, so why not get out now?
We can entertain the fairy tales about paths and doors to the unknown because we can’t see that “the house is burning”! ‘Paths’ are just another distraction. As I see it.
I’m completely baffled. What am I supposed to do with this, Dan? Because seriously I am not able to find any relation with what I have said. Sorry!
So we are to assume that you have stepped “over the threshold of the unknown”, that you know why we have not taken that step, and you know what we can expect once we have?
Anything else besides thought?
I’m completely baffled. What am I supposed to do with this, Dan? Because seriously I am not able to find any relation with what I have said.
Just differences in words, languages…sorry!
Why not respond in your language and we can translate. Maybe that would work? Try it.
Just differences in words, languages…sorry!
Never mind, Dan. It’s not easy for me either to translate Spanish into a language that is not my native language, and which I feel is often quite ambiguous when it comes to expressing things that may be beyond words. We’ll keep trying anyway. We can continue the conversation if you want, although maybe you’d rather stop for a moment, I don’t know.
However, there is something I would like to say… For me, “thinking-together” means that one has no problem exposing oneself in the conversation, but the truth is that I don’t see many people here exposing themselves in conversations. Quite the contrary.
Why not respond in your language and we can translate
It would be nice, but I think the cure would be worse than the disease. In fact, I don’t trust online translators that much. As I have said elsewhere, they are more interpreters than translators, which means that if people here do not know Spanish, there may be more confusion than if I try to translate it into English myself (with some help from online interpreters). So I think that wouldn’t fix the problem. No, I will continue translating and if something is not understood, or someone, for whatever reason, is annoyed or feels attacked by what I say, I hope they will ask instead of jumping to conclusions. Anyway if you want, and the moderator(s) agree, we could do a test.
Lo que quierres—hablo un poco. Vivi’ en Espana por casi tres anos pero no puedo hablar de estas cosas en espanol - no! Lo siento amigo.
No te preocupes, Dan. Seguimos con el ingles y si surge algún problema lo intentamos arreglar, como hemos hecho ahora. Y si se puede, se puede. Y si no se puede, pues no se puede. Hay un dicho budista que dice que si un problema tiene arreglo, por que preocuparse, y si no lo tiene, por que preocuparse. De todas maneras muchas gracias por intentar encontrar una solución!
Y ahora, seguimos en ingles y que sea lo que Dios quiera (yep, ni se te ocurra comentar nada sobre esto ultimo! No, es broma , no es mas que un dicho popular que quiere decir “que pase lo que tenga que pasar”)
Un abrazo compañero!
For me, “thinking-together” means that one has no problem exposing oneself in the conversation, but the truth is that I don’t see many people here exposing themselves in conversations. Quite the contrary.
sometimes an attempt to expose oneself
is just a more sophisticated concealment
thought has nothing new to tell
so in its absence only
shall we come upon the true
I don’t exist
and neither do you
Can someone explain: Zero contains all numbers and nothing is everything.
Roger Penrose can (apparently). He claims to have managed to show that the final state of maximum entropy of the universe (aka heat death, quasi nothingness due to universe being spread out to quasi infinity) is mathematically identical to the big bang singularity (aka everything compressed into one point).
Though I don’t think this is related to the “emptiness” that concerns us aka the human experience.
What we are talking about is our psychological relationship to the separate objects that we experience.
Our brain provides us with the concept and experience of separate objects so that we can manipulate them.