In most conversations, written or spoken, there is inevitably a position of the one or the other engaging in this conversation. Such a position is what can be called self, psyche, individual, and person, etc. Any such position is the result of upbringing, education, society, and is called conditioning. As the conversation develops the conditioning is what is being expressed. I, you, and me, have knowledge and an ability to talk about knowledge. As the conversation goes along, I am following lines of thought, and gradually the various complexities, conundrums, dilemmas, become the different positions, the different ideas, which each of us take up. This is actually the conditioned perspective of separate competing selves in society. The conversation may leave us with opposing or agreeable views, amiably or not, but actually the separate selves is a much more fundamental condition, inherently the nature of self.
So, in our conversation, from the word con-verse, this is where we can begin to see the nature of the self, as it is for all of us, undivided. Observe we have been conversing about some issue, a problem, bringing up morality, politics, all of that stuff. See the way we are talking together is because we think in terms of looking for explanations, solutions, remedies, answers, or wanting change and reorganisation. So, what is it we are trying to solve actually for our ourselves, not abstractly, not theoretically, not moralistically? Is it that the nature of self is the root of our unease and concern?
Now can the people in a conversation, can they wake up to the self, and with self-reflection, not keep turning to the way of expressing knowledge, not keep following a line of thought, and see themselves as the one who is the thinker, and fundamentally the source of their life, where the knowledge and ideas are arising? Thoughts arising from the brain, and knowledge expressed verbally, is the conditioned state. When I see this for myself, not because it was mentioned by someone, what happens? Can I see there is this basic human being, in a position, and aware, there is no other place, no other time, and effortlessly, this is where I am? Carefully, I can use thought, like a tool, with no need to develop a point of view, or a clever constitution. There is no more of the con-vers-ation; there is listening, observing, and thinking together.