From what I’ve seen yes. It’s hard to imagine not feeling ‘special’ isn’t it?
Come on Charley, please at least read his post and try to understand where he is coming from. How can conflict ever end if you have this attitude of not even bothering to read anothers post.
What is ironic about this whole situation between the two of you, is that you had a nice and friendly exchange about England and the Queen a few days before. It seemed like you two were quite chums, and then something changed quickly.
Please reconsider your approach and attitude here and possibly look into what happened and why the conflict.
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I hope I am misunderstanding you. I hope you do not mean there are some wolves on this forum disguised as sheep?
Wolves in ‘K’ disguise?
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I think you are right Dan. But what could be more special - especially on a forum like this one - than to claim (either implicitly or explicitly) to be (oneself) without any sense of ‘I’?
I realise that K has said that actual compassion may look different to us depending on whether we are free from the ‘I’ or not. But I would still expect from any person actually (or implicitly) claiming to be free from the ‘I’ (and I am not saying that you are claiming such a thing) that they be civil, gentle, patient, warm-hearted, considerate, and willing to admit when they haven’t understood something that the other has said.
I find the lack of human-heartedness in all this business so depressing. Aren’t we all in the same boat? And if someone is genuinely free from the human condition, will they act with rudeness, impatience, hostility? (and yes, I am aware that this is how K could sometimes come across, but there were other aspects of his communication that balanced out these sharp edges, so I don’t feel it is fair to take K’s sometime impatience as a license for our own).
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Please forgive me, for asking again, but do you think there are some wolves on this forum disguised as sheep ? Or are we all pretty decent serious K inquirers? And if there are some deceptive wolves on this site, how to tell them apart, how to decipher or know them?
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The feeling of being ‘special’, the feeling of being ‘someone’…that’s the disguise.
Then it’s not a very brilliant disguise, is it? Seeing that it is a disguise we all share. 
Although you seem to be implying that it is a disguise that some of us are more prone to wearing than others, and others less. If so, would it not make sense to be a little more explicit about who these others are, so that they can become more aware of their wolfishness?
Dan, how do we know who has this feeling of being “special”? How does this come across in their posts? I have no idea if I myself am falling into this category of yours.
I will be the third in a row to comment that it seems like this is all of us. The feeling of being ‘someone’ describes 99.999999% of humanity it seems.
Relationship is about being vulnerable and being honest. Let us be honest here and really meet whatever is going on in this forum and not hide behind words or abstractions. Let us come clean and say whatever is on our mind and look at it.
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Since I am asking us to be honest and real and vulnerable in this forum, I will follow my own advice and say that some form little cliques or groups or identify with a few that are special or different than the rest of us.
In a recent thread Charley was siding with Dan, mentioned Dans name and then highlighted the “wolf in sheeps clothing” I believe it was or something similar and then dismissed James as being too intellectual or something.
In dialogue groups, I have seen the same thing happen where a few side with each other and smugly congratulate and agree with each other about seeing the same thing, but looking down on others as not knowing or seeing different.
One has to watch these tendencies in oneself, of feeling special or like you are different than the rest of us, for we all have them and it is so easy to be blind to these actions, behavior.
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sheep 
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Charley has a lovely pastoral background series on the laptop: sheep , grass and trees! Had a colleague who quit the profession and moved to the country to raise sheep. Charley only quit the profession… Am waiting for the new mattress topper (memory foam) to settle and expand (the instructions said to wait, before putting the new mattress cover on it). Need my nap; the futon was getting a bit hard. So, while waiting, I glance in and see 16 responses !!! omg… Disguises are masks. A wolf in sheep’s clothing… is still a wolf. Hey bros, what big eyes and teeth you’all have! Looks at all the wolves…
Were people to really care about each other, they would want them to be whole and well - in other words to awaken their intelligence; and to do that they would have to drop thought as a modus operandi, instead of gossiping about who is friends with whom. To those who are into gossip and wondering who is free of self and who isn’t, wouldn’t this place be wonderful were people to discuss their own awareness of their own wolfness, and the wolf’s wooliness?
‘Special’ in the sense of feeling that you are something other than ‘nothing’. (Not-a-thing)
Surely that’s all of us Dan. Isn’t this universal? Isn’t this where we all actually are?
I am a wolf, I have big eyes and teeth. I am not trying to be a sheep or pretend to be different than I am. I am self-centred, have self interest and dont really care about others. I do not have love as Krishnamurti talked about. Where do we go from here?
That was the only point I was trying to make.
And Sean please stop calling me ‘Surely’!
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DavidS,
- “K: For those of you, please, who are not really very interested, who merely came for curiosity, would they all get up and go now—it would be much simpler. If you are serious at all about anything then stay and pay as much or as little attention as you can.”
K: Talks and Dialogues, 10th Public Talk, Saanen, 30th July 1967
Charley, there was a slight reaction to reading your response here, quoting Krishnamurti, and basically saying I am just curious and to get up and go now. Maybe you are saying I am serious and to stay and listen as much as I can, not sure.
But either way, is is possible you can read what James wrote to you 3 days ago. He took the time to share, and try to communicate something to you. Is that so much to ask, that you at least read it and give it consideration?
This thread is about Relationships, and dismissing outright others does not seem to be about relationship.
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Are we done communicating Charley? You arent going to answer me or read James post are you?
Are you going to tell me too, “Please leave me alone.?”
Toxic people,
Well, there are toxic people in the world. There is Trump, the big fat lie guy, boy did that guy cause a lot of damage, eh? And then there is Putin, with his lies etc. “denazification”. Oh, those Nazis, eh? - toxic people. And the horror of what he “created” in Europe and the world: millions in the Ukraine displaced, murders, destruction, and now the U.N. states that up to 400 million lives are going to be affected by lack of grain shipments, omg!
All of these extraordinarily corrupt people operate exclusively in the field of reality, using thought… and they are all toxic, right?
Now, on this site, and to see the word “toxic” leveled at Charley… by quite a few members of this site… Well, if anyone of them believes that for one minute Charley is in any way shape or form interested in “chatting” or discussing with anyone of those, think again!
Truth can have no relationship to the field of reality. None whatsoever.