But… i have also second thoughts that might make things clear.
It is about the motive. I know K has talked a lot about motive and I would be able to repeat it because i have a good memory (i suppose).
It is hard to find people that are really interested in the teachings.
So I try to come in contact with them.
Yes. The ‘teaching’ for me has changed much over the years. It has become more ‘simple’. The brain has patterns of thought and behavior that produce fear and conflict. Freedom ‘from’ them is essential. Freedom is essential before the body dies. Investigation of these patterns of myself are necessary …to understand them is necessary. I come here because others are interested in the same thing. And we try to discuss it with each other.
So, if I got it right, freedom is at the beginning, no? In order to investigate more profoundly freedom is essential.
But, what did you mean , when you add the words “before the body dies”.
The ‘dimension’ that the brain can resonate with, can obviously only happen while the brain is healthy and alive. When the brain dies, that possible connection with ‘freedom’, love, (whatever word we want to use for it) ends. I recall JK saying something like “the body is going to die—somewhere in time it already has…so why not die to it now!”.
In other words, you have to make the move while you still can!
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Which of the following two quotes is ‘simpler’ and why, according to what you say?
THERE IS AN ART in listening. Listen to find out if what is said is of significance, and after listening, judge, accept, or throw out; but first of all listen. The difficulty with most of us is that we do not listen. We come prepared to be antagonistic or friendly, and not to listen neutrally. If you listen neutrally, surely then only you begin to discover what lies behind the words. Words are a means of communication. You have to learn my vocabulary, the meaning behind my words, and then you will find the significance of the subject. The thing of first importance is to learn to listen rightly. If you read a poem and are biased, how can you understand it? To appreciate what the poet wants you to understand, you must come with freedom to do so.
Transcript of Talk 1, Rajahumundry, 20 November 1949
So first, if one may point out, there is an art of listening. Like a great many other arts in life, the art of listening is very important. If one could listen so completely, not partially, with all your mind, with your nerves, with your heart, with your brain, listen to what is being said, not interpreting it, what is being said, not translating according to what you would like to hear, or, as you are listening, compare to what you already know, then you actually are not listening, you are just wandering off in the side lines. So could we find out how we listen? How you actually listen. Because that may be the clue to great depth in understanding, not only what your wife, your husband, other people say, but also what the speaker is saying. The speaker is not saying anything extraordinary. All that he is pointing out is that in listening, not only with the hearing of the ear but at a greater depth, which is not merely an intellection.
Public Talk 2 New Delhi, India - 01 November 1981
p.s.: I would like to deepen what you say, so please don’t take it personally.
Are you saying that it is the brain that becomes free?
And by healthy brain, do you mean a merely functional brain,
or a psychologically healthy functional brain?
Yes what else is there? The brain free of its patterns, conditioning “, can resonate with the dimension that its conditioning has kept it from. It can, free of its enslavement to thought, be one with Mind. It can in K’s words “participate in the immensity”.
I would like to ask… if, as you suggest, freedom were at the beginning, meaning that one is already free of all conditioning, ideas and concepts that prevent one from seeing ‘what is’, what is there to “investigate more profoundly”?
By the way… what about non-freedom?
If you don’t mind, please tell me what you see here 
?
This is a serious question.
What’s coming in my mind when you ask this question “what is then left to profoundly investigate” I would say that what we do not know. Seems impossible no? Dare we ak for the impossible? Not as some phylosofical problem but rather more concrete as in “has human kind ever considered the possibility to go to the moon?” And yet we have.
What about non-freedom? What about it?
Plz you tell me about it
Are there any psychological patterns or conditionings in the brain that can’t be observed?
Maybe we should ask ourselves whether it is possible at all to observe our conditioning, the way it works, what the outcome is in our daily life at this very moment.
I believe that everything can be observed as long as the observer is not present.
Observation doesn’t discriminate, for sure.
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Hi Fraggle
Sorry this makes no sense. Maybe ask the question you have differently?
The answer is yes this is possible… but it has to be ‘done’.
The desire to change ‘what is’ creates a division between me and myself: I will act upon what is happening in me and will try to bring about change. This is ‘time’, it will take time to make the change. But this is irrational because there is no actual separation between the feeling occurring and the ‘me’ who wants to act upon it.
The only thing Krishnamurti did was point at mind watching meditation. That’s the first and last step. Everything comes from that.
The good thing about K’s video, first is:
Somewhat safe… he does not try to budge into my opinion.
And then, there is no need to prepare, yourself, myself, to make a question or answer or even forming or expressing an opinion.
But, every question or answer or opinion is to yourself, myself, if there is any.
Only “entertainment” is the tremouring joy that you feel, “My God, I am getting it. Thank you K.”
It is because of the perception that “I am everything” is deeply engrained in the core or essence of my own existence that I have never questioned or doubt or even thought of or engaged into… K tries to tickle this characteristics.
What I am to do after or before is working to turn this perception into insights…"Changing the direction from “north” to “otherwise”… Jesus said, “Stay where you are. Don’t look for the Christ.”
The Christ is a dead thing to which only vultures gather…!