I have read a lot, watched lots of videos, and I use quotations. What I might say about anything, is it truth, or is it a repetition? The truth has its own virtue. It stands in its own place, unsupported. So I see my use of the truth is dependent on motive. Motive is not limited to the individual, it is a common desire to connect, to unite, and we strive to abide by a binding truth. This is the role adopted by the prophets, the sages, and the gurus. It should be obvious, and not remarkable, I have a motive, but we donāt see we are living in disconnect, striving to connect.
Effortless living is not an ideal. It is not a matter of motive or desire. All this moral questioning is the result of standing in belief. The morality invests in a search for a teacher, a leader, to follow, because the way we live is disorder.
My strongest motive was the desire to be the best I could be - to act in the best possible way for my child, the society we live in and the planet we depend upon. The realisation was that I was blocking the way.
Because you are thought? All your actions are based upon thoughtā¦upon conforming to thoughtās dictates? Thought is limited and totally isolated from the whole, as āIā am divided from āyouāā¦āmeā, divided from my wife or child or neighbor. Understanding what thought(psychological) is and how it acts seems to be the āwayā to understanding and enlightenment. Otherwise weāre seeking something beyond āwhat isā.
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Yes, because the sole purpose of the self is fear and survival - much too limited for intelligence to act freely.
So Iāll ask the unauthorised question : How do we get a taste of meditation? How can we be free of motive and desire without effort? How can one be free of the known?
The answers are usually based around the words : psychological death, or surrender - but unfortunately, since these are not part of the known, not part of our past experience - we donāt know what they mean.
Donāt avoid meditation - accept the essential mystery, surrender to the unknown.
You donāt know is freedom.
Continuity. Continuity of my pleasure or attachmentā¦my memoriesā¦my fulfillment and knowledge, yes, knowledge. Fear is another issue. What is the relationship between fear and desireā¦desire for moreā¦desire for continuity? Iām not sure I totally understand fearās role hereā¦ in creating āmeā/self. Or is it that fear IS the self? One facet of the āmeāā¦the other being desire?
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Freedom to observe? To learn?
Freedom from. From delusion. No other steps necessary as we are free from the entity that would take the steps;
And when there is fear we cling to the known. We ātryā to surrender or we try to become something we are not in an effort to avoid or escape from or suppress the fear. The problem with observing what we are may be that we have so much knowledge of what we areā¦knowledge of fearā¦knowledge of what to do about it. We canāt simply say, āI donāt knowā what any of this is. āI donāt know what is the right actionā. All that we know is conditioned by the pastā¦and by knowledge gained from othersā experiences. So there is nothing first hand about knowledgeā¦itās all from the pastā¦from the past(the whole of mankindās past) coloring the present.
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Absolutely, spot on . And so much knowledge of everything else that is apparently not us
This is the main obstacle to meditation. The main reason people may even think that they are meditating when in fact - no.
āTotally deluded by the known we are. Totally dependant on thought are weā Master Yoda
Mostly we live a busy life. A passiveness is rare. To be fully living, free from thought, is something strange. It doesnāt fit with the ordinary understanding of life. When we might have an interest in religion, or discovering what is sacred, it is approached as another activity in the busy life. Then we are looking at what we like and donāt like, what we think is sensible or not. We might be able to follow some path of alternatives, some pragmatism, but this is where we canāt actually realise motive and desire, because it is the mechanism we are using.
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