If I see a rainbow, the facts aisi are: colors and shapes, visual data, ‘pure’ sensory perception. If I cognize the rainbow, the facts are: recognition, naming, thought/feeling based association.
The reason that some people in this forum claim that" krishnamurti is your guru or your authority ." Is another form of fallacy.
K’s words have authority because they refer to facts or truth.
I reckon the @Examiner vs @nobody showdown could be an Extreme Debate at opposite ends of Knowing!
To make it more interesting the winner has to steelman the other’s position.
You’re giving examples of what you see as facts. Could you generalize it: What makes a fact a fact? For example: There is no true Self, there is only the illusory egoic self. Is that a fact? Why?
Are we having a showdown? I thought we were just sharing views. Is extreme debating a contact sport?
Steelman, I had to look it up, thanks for the new word, who knew there was a flip side to strawman?!! I think Examiner and I are both resisting being steelmanned. Yay team!
The point is that having an opinion about a fact does not change the actuality of fact. Also important to see that no word or image or idea can be a fact, because they are not actual.