A: We are in a Krishnamurti forum, let us center our exploration on his writings, videos, views, insights, methodology or lack of same. Krishnamurti is the teacher, the authority. Our goal here is to fathom him.
B: We are in a Krishnamurti forum, let us center our exploration on that to which he pointed: freedom, observation, awareness, attention, intelligence. The world is the teacher, no authorities. Our goal here is to explore, see what we see, share.
Seems that A places Krishnamurti in the foreground, the man, the work, the worldview. B otoh places everything in the foreground, including Krishnamurti, Buddhism, Advaita, Taoism, Western philosophy, everyone’s invited to the party.
Depends on the things. The spirit of non-authority - fragile and rare as it is - is easily usurped. Here an attempt is being made to protect that spirit under the banner of "Krishnamurti’. Which does not preclude bringing in other teachers or philosophies if the context warrants. If that is not in keeping with your principles or your interpretation of intelligent inquiry, I ask you to remember that posting here is a privilege, not a right and suggest you perhaps find a more suitable venue that does not rub you the wrong way.
Yes, even though K said not to make him our authority. But since he gave different meanings to certain words and concepts, and spoke of things the conditioned brain can’t experience, much less, acknowledge, one can’t possibly “fathom” his teaching without first grasping what he was trying to convey.
Door B, however, opens to rational thought, the limit, the ground, the bottom line.
WIth door A, rational thought (aka practical thought) is a limited, mechanical process that the brain must put in its place or be limited to confinement to it. Door B does not acknowledge this possibility because it can’t be anything but thinking, rationally or not.
Please explain why Door B can’t be anything but thinking.
Door B: We are in a Krishnamurti forum, let us center our exploration on that to which he pointed: freedom, observation, awareness, attention, intelligence. The world is the teacher, no authorities. Our goal here is to explore, see what we see, share.
The headings I used, Door A and B, were just (attempts at) lighthearted names for different ways of exploring. I could instead have said A and B, or used no names at all. To avoid misunderstanding, I went back and edited them.
Good catch @rickScott - I was wondering if this word “solitude” will wake up a question in anyone…
I say this: I have been contemplating these words: awareness - meditation- solitude (see recent posts made by @James under awareness) - I think solitude applies to a way of seeing of the mind as not mine, not yours, seeing only, alone the mind.
Brings Advaita’s ekajiva to mind: the notion that there is only one individual soul, and apparent individuality and plurality are illusions. It implies that all individual souls are ultimately one with the supreme reality, Brahman.
Solitude in the sense: the observer is absent, which means that the seeing of the mind is not accompanied by a me, or a you.
Imagine a landscape, in which there is only one single element, (the human mind), nothing else, the me and the you are not there, which suggests the mind is seen in solitude, it is like a direct seeing of one unitary thing, making the seeing effortless, and whole - and this mind is the human mind…