You would not be asking what to do; it would already be done.
The brain will only put such a question if it is already confused and wants to get away from the confusion. Only a silent brain can commune with other brains.
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Perhaps so, but this is to push past things again here rather than engage. Is engagement here only to be on Paul’s terms according to Paul’s reality?
So for the brain to question the validity of its given reality, which is its conditioning, is for the brain to escape from itself. How so?
Haha…now you’re going to far, Paul! I was with you on a lot of your messages but this one totally leaves me flabbergasted. The house is on fire because we have NOT put it out. We dont take action…but only react…therefore it remains on fire. I apologize if I’m totally missing your point. Why did K say that the ‘house is on fire’? What was he pointing to with that metaphor, in your view?
I did what? What are you talking about, Dan? How is your question related to my post about the slave trade?
What do you mean by engagement?
A confused brain can only put a wrong question. Can the brain itself be quiet before putting any questions about its own nature?
There is no action separate from perception. If there is a delay between perception and action it is because thought has intervened. The perception of the fire is the only necessary action. So what is the fire?
K: Please don’t accept or deny what the speaker is saying, examine it, look at it, give your heart and mind to find out, not intellectually or verbally. When the house is burning - and your house is actually burning - you don’t discuss how to put the fire out, you are not concerned with who set the house on fire, but you actually do something, you act. And when you act you have energy you have tremendous energy. But when you theorize, discuss intellectually, then action is not possible. New Delhi, 3rd December 1967
K: War is the spectacular and bloody projection of our everyday life, is it not? War is merely an outward expression of our inward state, an enlargement of our daily action. It is more spectacular, more bloody, more destructive, but it is the collective result of our individual activities. So, you and I are responsible for war, and what can we do to stop it? Obviously, the impending war cannot be stopped by you and me, because it is already in movement; it is already taking place though still chiefly on the psychological level. It has already begun in the world of ideas, though it may take a little longer for our bodies to be destroyed. As it is already in movement, it cannot be stopped - the issues are too many, too great, and are already committed. But you and I, seeing that the house is on fire, can understand the causes of that fire, can go away from it and build in a new place with different materials that are not combustible, that will not produce other wars. That is all that we can do. You and I can see what creates wars, and if we are interested in stopping wars, then we can begin to transform ourselves, who are the causes of war. So, what causes war religious, political or economic? Obviously, belief, either in nationalism, in an ideology, or in a particular dogma. If we had no belief, but goodwill, love and consideration between us, then there would be no wars. But we are fed on beliefs, ideas and dogmas, and therefore we breed discontent. Surely, the present crisis is of an exceptional nature, and we as human beings must either pursue the path of constant conflict and continuous wars which are the result of our everyday action, or else see the causes of war and turn our back upon them. Bangalore, 11th July, 1948
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It was a jump. I was looking at it from the ‘slaver’s’ point of view., from his ‘conditioned’ brain. Your view was the horror of the act, his, a maybe business as usual. But it was the conditioned brain that creates all this, all these horrors you point out. But my brain is also under this conditioning, stifled by it. Seeing myself as this or that. My set of values of right and wrong etc. What separates me from the slaver, except the circumstances of my conditioning?
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Is it not possible to run with the question and improve it if that is what is genuinely felt, and could that not have been done already? There is an implication the question is a wrong question, but the question about what the brain is actually in contact with when experiencing reality is an important one, if the brain is willing to take it up.
To take up the points being made and build on them.
And many who felt that they were good, moral, Christians, supported slavery. It’s the conditioned brain that creates the slave trade as well as the morality of the religious believer.
The self, which is neither my self, nor your self, but simply the self, is a great kaleidoscopic fractal with each part containing every other. Just as a single cell can grow to be an eye, or a liver, or a heart, so any one part of self can grow all other parts. This is why it doesn’t matter if my self is really decent, or contains nice content, because it is self just the same. It is like going down to the sea’s edge and placing a pastry cutter in the water, and saying the content inside of the cutter is my content, and all the rest belongs to other.
‘Nothing’ can be done. Possibility and impossibility exist simultaneously.
My only point is that I love you. Everything else you can forget. What is your point?
And I am the love that placed that thought in your brain.
No. It has nothing whatsoever to do with thought. If that’s your point, it’s not worth the breath.
Well it’s not my point as such, it’s the one I gave to you to give to me, although it’s not my best work admittedly.
To realize this and:
And that ‘my’ consciousness is not mine but is the consciousness of mankind…is a revolution of sorts isn’t it?