I remember, jiddu said that beauty will take place after suffering. 
Itâs the âafterâ that worries me. 
I did not get what you have said. can you explain?
Alright, without the word, what is suffering? Does psychological suffering exist without the word and all the memories behind the word?
In other words, to get to the beauty you need to go through the suffering, and suffering hurts.
Hair shirts?..self-flaggelation?
As fun as self-torture might be, I donât think itâs quite what Jiddu had in mind! He was talking about recognizing and opening ourselves to the suffering we normally repress.
The brainâŚ
Where exactly is this awareness?
But at what point or at what moment in the brain? The brain is a vast network of connections. What shows the brain it is limited, regardless of how vast and impressive it may be?
The evidenceâŚ
No, it already has all the evidence. I know I am limited. But it doesnât stop me trying to find other evidence that I am not that. The evidence only acts as a spur to further acts of irresponsibility.
Speak for yourselfâŚ
I am not speaking for anyone. I am asking a question: at what point does the limited brain realise the full implication of its own limitations? Thatâs all. At what point? The evidence doesnât do it; meditation doesnât do it; analysis doesnât do it. So - what?
I donât know. Do you?
I also donât know. But I refuse to stop there. Thatâs another dead end.
Good for you. I havenât stopped, either. The only dead end is death.
What good does it do to be impatient? Since when is impatience a virtue? Youâve talked about demanding this or that, but where has it gotten you?
It is not about patience or impatience. Are we demanding freedom from all limitation? A psychological demand or order which says, âI must be free of this! Otherwise, I may as well be dead.â The evidence is clear that I am limited and therefore caught in a perpetual cycle of psychological stupidity. I know all this, but the knowledge of it changes nothing.
So is there an action which has nothing to do with knowing or not knowing?
You see, a mind that puts this question has already gone far beyond any concern with its own suffering.
I donât know and neither do you.
a mind that puts this question has already gone far beyond any concern with its own suffering.
So you say. I donât know.
Not sure I understand what you mean.