The movement of thought

Hi,

Thank you for your patience.

Yes, I see and understand that too. The core seems to be what we call thought. At the same time, the question arises as to whether there is something deeper than thought? And is thought something that really only takes place within us? Because as far as I know, there is still no proof that thought has its origin in the brain, for example.

Perhaps if we could delve a little deeper into the fear? I ask myself the following questions and try to investigate. But I keep coming to a dead end, I have the impression.

Psychological fear: In my memory, K refers to psychological fear and other emotions on the one hand as a kind of physical disorder that is triggered by thought. On the other hand, K refers to anxiety as a memory that is triggered by thought. As if the fear had been there at the time and thought then brings it into the present. How do you look at it?

And is there a physical anxiety/uncertainty that is natural and not the product of thought? If so, how does it manifest itself? How does the body naturally react to danger?

Thank you for your reply Michael.

I will take your questions and statements and respond to them as best I can.

It depends what you mean when you ask this question… Are you asking if they’re something beyond thought? Such as awareness , attention, or something sacred? Or are you asking whether there is something in the psychological arena that is deeper than thought - such as the self, or some other structure of self?

Sorrow is deeper than thought. Sorrow has been created by thought, but the actuality of sorrow is of a deeper nature than superficial thought: it involves the nerves, the body, the whole organism. K says that when there is an ending to sorrow, there is the energy of compassion. And compassion (as I understand it) is deeper, wider, more extensive than thought.

I don’t think I understand this question? As far as I understand it, thought is a neurobiological process centred in the brain, in particular the neo-cortex. Thought has evolved as an to aid perception - it also exists, for this reason, in animals, birds, etc (which is why they also have a less well-developed neo-cortex). There have been experiments to show that particular neurons contain particular memories - for example, of a famous pop singer one has seen on TV. The image of this person is stored directly in a neuron, so when one thinks of this person, this neuron contains the image of the pop star.

On the topic of fear…

My understanding of fear is that

  1. there are definite psychological fears that we generate through our thinking.

And

  1. definite physical fears which are part of our instinctive physical responses.

There may be some kinds of fear which are a mix of the two, but I think these two categories of fear cover the bulk of what we call fear and anxiety.

So, for instance, the fear of what will happen tomorrow is clearly a fear generated by our projecting into the future - through thought - what might happen, what could happen; which we do based upon what has happened in the past. So the past and the future in thought (memory and anticipation) combine to create one’s fear of what might happen tomorrow. Clear?

This mental fear creates sensations in the body which we feel on a visceral level, but the fear is thought created.

Then, separate from this, are what I would call purely physical fears (so long as they are not neurotic or paranoid): the fear of falling from a height, the fear of physical danger, of dangerous animals, of snakes, of an oncoming bus, etc. These are normal, healthy physical reactions of adrenaline, to make the body respond to immediate physical danger. It takes place at the level of instinctive reaction, below the level of thought.

Do you see the difference?

Hi,

Thank you for your explanation.

I need to investigate this further. I’ll get back to you in a few days.

Hi Michael - just to mention that I will probably be taking a break from Kinfonet for a bit, but I will reply to any questions or comments you make when I can. :+1:

Hello James,

That fits well. I’m also taking a break here for the next 2-3 weeks. I may write from time to time.