I get it, and it was very early in my inquiry into “attachment”. Loneliness is a natural part of being human. This is why we live together in a group like pack animals. Is this wrong? Loneliness, to the person, is like thirst, to the body. The latter is a natural biological need while the former is a natural psychological need. I wonder if it is sane to deny the body of water and the self of socialization with other people. We know that children need to socialize for their emotional development.
The question is for me about psychological attachment. Not about staying away from anyone or anything physically but about dependance, jealousy, possessiveness, greed, acquisitiveness, territorialness etc.
There is more than one way to view religion in general and Christianity in particular. People were pretty brutal to each other in ancient times and religions were attempts at civilizing social behavior. Christianity was a reaction to the barbaric ways of the Romans who ruled that region in the eastern Mediterranean. Today, those Christian values inform our laws that forbid us from killing one another. Although, priests and nuns pray to God, they were instrumental in setting up schools and hospitals all over the world. Our top universities here in America were founded by Christians.
In and of themselves, those traits are part of what we are. They present a problem only when they drive us into unreasonable realms. If we are fair and balanced, things would be fine. Acquisitiveness is not a fundamental flaw. For example, a $100 billion net worth is obscene to me but $300 million would be fine.
Sree, this is just a suggestion. Don’t be in such a hurry to come to conclusions. Look at things without making choices immediately. Can you just be aware of somethings without reacting?
There is nothing wrong with caring, we all care about something. The problem is that without awareness we end up caring about illusionary things that doesn’t actually exist, things that exist no where except in our own minds, which are are usually created to puff up one’s egoic self.
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We’ve all noticed how lacking in self-awareness many people are, and how we’re less likely to notice our own lack of self-awareness because we’re not observing ourselves as critically as others. We are self-centered, and that means we are not choicelessly aware, not free to observe, due to the illusion of division the self-centered mind creates and maintains.
The self-centered mind is selectively aware because choiceless awareness is incomprehensible to the mind that creates the false division between observer and observed. We are more serious about what we believe to be true than what is actual. We are the arbiters of truth - not what choiceless awareness reveals. This is selective awareness.
The fundamental illusory thing that we care about is the self that doesn’t exist except in our own minds. And we are fully aware of caring for it when we splurge $4,000 on a Canali suit and $1,000 on a Christian Lacroix silk tie. It’s things that exist - like our bodies - that we are less aware of and allow to grow fat and get riddled with underlying chronic conditions.
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To understand choices- less awareness all imaginations has to be wiped out. It is like wiping the glass from debris so one can see beyond it.
Who is it that is going to wipe out all the 'imaginations? Who is going to decide what is the the “debris” that has to be wiped?
When you are hungry and eat do you ask who is it that is hungry? Or when the house is on fire do you ask who is it that knows that the house is on fire? You just put out the fire without analysis don’t you? In the same way imagination is a blinding factor in awareness .
Questioner: How can we go beyond this limited intelligence?
Krishnamurti: Through being passively aware of its complex and interrelated activities. In so being aware the causes that nourish the intelligence of the self come to an end without self-conscious effort.
Questioner: How can one cultivate the other intelligence?
Krishnamurti: Is not that a wrong question? I wonder if we are paying interested attention to what is being said. The wrong cannot cultivate the right. We are still thinking in terms of self-expanding intelligence and that is our difficulty. We are unaware of it and so we ask, without thought, how can the other intelligence be cultivated? Surely there are certain obvious, essential requirements which will free the mind from this limited intelligence; humility which is related to humor and mercy; to be without greed which is to be without identification; to be unworldly which is to be free from sensate values; to be free from stupidity, from ignorance which is the lack of self-knowledge, and so on. We must be aware of the cunning and devious ways of the self, and in understanding them virtue comes into being, but virtue is not an end in itself. Self-interest cannot cultivate virtue, it can only perpetuate itself under the mask of virtue; under the cover of virtue there is still the activity of the self. It is as though we were attempting to see the clear, pure light through coloured glasses, which we are unaware of wearing. To see the pure light we must first be aware of our coloured glasses; this very awareness, if the urge to see the pure light is strong, helps to remove the coloured glasses. This removal is not the action of one resistance against another but is an effortless action of understanding. We must be aware of the actual and the understanding of what is will set thought free; this very understanding will bring about open receptivity, transcending the particular intelligence.
Thank you for bringing this quote. There has to be this “urge” even though it is toward that which it can’t see. Is it a sensing that something isn’t right? The suffering, the fear, the loneliness, the dependency, the persistent violence, etc?
Incognito, would you mind supplying a citation for your above quote? Some of us may like to read more of the talk this quote came from. Quotes really require citations.
Yes , just copy the text and paste it on Google search box and it will take you there.
What talk or writing is this K-quote from?
Copy the whole paragraph and paste it in Google search. It will take you there.