Observing the Observer

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Inquiry, you seem to be spending an extraordinary amount of time and space on this forum defending your endless conclusions, opinions, ideals, judgements and so on. All thought; conclusions, etc, is conditioned. Is truth static or does it flow from moment to moment without a basis in memory or belief? It’s always tempting to think that we know and to share it with others or to “correct” others.

K: The mind is thought. All the activity of thought is separation, fragmentation. Thought is the response of memory which is the brain. The brain must rresond when it sees a danger. This is intelligence, but this same brain has somehow been conditioned not to see the danger of division. Its actions are valid and necessary when they deal with facts. Equally, it will act when it sees the fact that division and fragmentation are dangerous to it. This is not an idea or an ideology or principle or a concept-all of which are idiotic and separative: it is a fact. To see danger the brain has to be very alert and awake, all of it, not just a segment of it. (Page 87, The Urgencey Of Change

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Kettle. Black.

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So why doesn’t the brain see the conflict it has created with its presumption that it knows what should and should not be? Why doesn’t the brain see the falseness of this conceit that divides it into opposing elements?

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From the K book Urgency of Change, pages 96,97.

*Questioner: What do you mean, the observer?

*Krishnamurti: Are you looking at it from a centre with all its conclusions of like and dislike, opinion, judgement, the desire to be free of this emptiness and so on–are you looking at this aridness with the eyes of conclusion–or are you looking with the eyes that are completely free? When you look at it with eyes that are free, there is no observer. If there is no observer, is there the thing observed as loneliness, emptiness and wretchedness?

*Questioner: Do you mean to say that that tree doesn’t exist if I look at it without conclusion, without a centre which is the observer?

Krishnamurti: Of course the tree exists.

Questioner: Why does loneliness disapear but not the tree when I look without the observer?

Krishnamurti: Because the tree is not created by the centre, by the mind of the “me”. The mind of the “me” in all its self-centered activity has created this emptiness, this isolation, but when that mind, without the centre, looks, then the self-centered activity ends. So the loneliness is not. Then the mind functions in freedom. Looking at the whole structure of attachment and detachment, and the movement of pain and pleasure, we see how the mind of the “me” builds its own desert and its own escapes. When the mind of the “me” is still, then there is no desert and there is no escape.

Jack Pine: Can thought solve our problems? Psychological thought is disorder because it is limited and conditioned and for some other reasons too. So can disorder bring order to disorder? What are many of these discussions about on Kinfonet? Are they based on one person’s opinions and conclusions as opposed to another person’s opinions and conclusions?

Can we see that trying to explain what one person thinks K was saying to another person is a waste of time and energy? Was K pointing to the ending of the center, I, the ego as freedom and not to endless discussions based on ideology, conclusions, opinions and so on?

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Your above question is based on a quote from K not Jack Pine. Are you asking me to explain Krishnamurti to you? That’s a trap, whether you realized it or not. No one can explain K to you. You have to see it for yourself.

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No. My question is directed to anyone who has drawn no conclusions and holds no strong opinions.

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Are weak opinions ok?

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Yes. Weak opinions are preferable to strong ones because they’re not as committed to their position, not as defensive, more inclined to learn something than to fortify themselves.

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Is that an opinion? If so, is it strong?

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No. It’s an explanation.