No - I was asking (Rick) a question: is it a fact that there are already so many people who have been transformed that we can begin to speculate about group-mind mutation events? - I don’t think there are. And so speculating about group-mind mutation events seems to be just - speculative.
According to the group-mind theory, if one individual brain transforms this makes it easier for others around them to transform (or, according to Sheldrake’s morphic resonance theory, even at a distance from them). But this whole group-mind theory depends on some individual brains actually transforming - and this is the whole point of the thread: namely that there are so few, vanishingly few people who have been transformed. Which is why the world is in such a mess. So to speculate about what would happen if what hasn’t yet happened somehow did happen seems incorrect.
So you find this blog irrelevant. That is why you have to resort to the past comments which are dead , gone, cleared up at their time.
I don’t write too much. The number of words that I have written in this forum is one tenth of the number of words that you have used. So it is useless to focus on each other’s flaws.
Maybe. I don’t think we know how large-scale transformation would work or if it’s even possible. And that’s what we’re talking about, right: global(ish) transformation, the ‘setting right’ of the wrong turn.
I’d say there are quite possibly millions of people who are passionately interested in coming to an understanding what makes the ego tick. But most are probably not exploring the ego directly, in the sense I think you are using the term. They’re studying it in a subject/object way, which seems more the indirect rather than direct way in.
Right. So rather than us asking (speculatively) about how a multitude of transformed minds may or may not affect the group-mind, we perhaps ought to begin by finding out what may (or may not) be involved in the transformation of a single brain. Right? I think this is logical.
Leaping all the way to global transformation would be an act of almost pure speculation. Exploring transformation for the individual seems like a logical start. A next step up might be to explore the enlightenment patterns within a small group of likeminded individuals, monks in a monastery?
It’s important, I think, to keep in mind that the awakening of a single person may or may not mean higher probability for the awakening of other people the awakened one is intimate with.
Yes human consciousness is the core of crisis in the present world as K pointed out. Because consciousness is divided by thought as Arab consciousness verse Jew’s consciousness . American verses Russian consiousness , Republican consiousness verses democratic consiousness and so on.
The only solution I see is to have right kind of education for the next generation. The present education which is based on competition and comparison has to change or the next generations will be as violent and ruthless as the present generation is.
Right. So in order to change human consciousness we need better education, which means we need different schools and educators - which means we need individual human brains, not dissimilar to those of us on Kinfonet (and elsewhere), to be transformed/changed.
So the question for us all is, what will make us change/transform? And, what do we mean by change/transformation? (i.e. transform from what to what?)
I am going to take the ‘we’ to heart and not say what Krishnamurti meant, rather what I mean. The ‘we’ will come in later when we start to compare notes.
What do I mean by ‘transformation of a human brain?’
Well I am not a neuroscientist or brain specialist, so I can’t talk knowledgeably about the anatomy and physiology of brain transformation. I could speculate, but would rather not.
That said, for me, a transformed brain is a brain that has either 1) acquired new and ‘better’ patterns of thinking and behaving (enlightened self), or 2) has become free from patterns (no-self). I mean patterns driven by the self, not practical patterns like how to use the Internet. 2 is deeper but way harder to arrive at. A mix of some degree of 1 and 2 is possible, I’d think.
Inspired by reports of a ghost of a man roaming the stairs of a haunted house, in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, the poem was originally part of a play called The Psyco-ed , which Mearns had written for an English class at Harvard University, circa 1899. In 1910,
For fun I asked GPT what the consequences would be if the % of people free from attachment to the ego ‘I’ would increase from its current level which I estimated at about 1% to 10%. Here’s its response (GPT provided explanations for the consequences that I edited out):
Increased Empathy and Compassion
Reduced Conflict and Violence
Enhanced Global Cooperation
Improved Mental Health
Greater Environmental Awareness
Ethical Political and Economic Systems
Enhanced Innovation and Problem-Solving
Potential for Naivety
Social and Cultural Disruption
Resistance to Change
Loss of Personal Identity
Potential for Apathy
Misuse of Influence
So, a reminder that this thread is about the present world crisis (or crises), and that apart from all the terrible crises in the world right now the source of these multiple crises is in human consciousness itself - something has gone wrong in human consciousness. What has gone wrong is that this consciousness has become egoic, self-centred. So it is this egoic consciousness that needs to be transformed.