We have good reason to believe we are missing “this perception”, but we really don’t know because our conditioning is operating, and belief, disbelief, and uncertainty are all we have. When one is completely honest, all one can say is that one believes Krishnamurti was speaking the truth.
It isn’t a quest…it’s a question: what actually is, regardless of what I think or how I react?
Yes when he said this about himself, his ‘find’ : " But you have come upon something that is most precious, that can never be told to another. They may find it, but you have it, grasp it and adore it.”
Krishnamurti to Himself
4/23/1983
So why is it that we can’t “really look”?
Are you saying we should adore and cherish our belief that K spoke the truth?
No, the opposite. He said he somehow found the “jewel”. And that what he found can never be told to another. That what he found, he grasps it and he adores it…I don’t know whether that’s craziness but it reads like he believes that what he ‘found’ is “precious.” So where does that leave us? We as you point out don’t have this jewel of understanding, seeing, wisdom, etc? We want this thing he says he found, this thing that cant be communicated, organized etc.
He tells us it’s “precious” but then if we ‘want’ this precious thing, it’s ‘greed’.
So ‘we’ have to make believe that ‘we’ are not lusting after this image of the “jewel” that he has written about.
Is it greed that drives the sperm cell toward the egg?
I don’t know what is going on.
We all need a bit of inspiration from time to time. You’re welcome!
Inquiry,
Who says we can’t really look?? Attachment to our ‘conditioned mind’ is what prevents us from looking, so we have to look at this attachment, be aware of it, that is to be honest.
Dan,
I don’t know the context in which Krishnamurti said that in your quote of Krishnamurti to Himself and that is very important, to know the context. Many people came to Krishnamurti saying that they wanted to get that ‘enlightenment’ that they found Krishnamurti had and he just followed talking in that vein. Sometimes he would say ‘what you say I have…’, but in fact here in this quote it sounds different, just like ‘it’s me who has it now’. I don’t think anyway that serious people want Krishnamurti’s enlightenment, people genuinely want to be free and there is a spiritual quest that makes us move and which nobody can define. Krishnamurti said many beautiful things but others fell short, so we don’t have to like all that he said.
But the moment I find an answer to this question, there will be a reaction; there must be. Therefore, can I as the observer be disregarded from the beginning? This means - doesn’t it? - to put a question with absolutely no regard to the answer. So all the energy of the observer is in the question; and there is no fragmentation of energy caused by looking to a future answer. Then the observer has ceased to exist. And this is actuality, not what the observer wants existence to be.
What is a question if not seeking an answer?
Who/what is attached to “our conditioned mind”? Is there someone/something apart from the conditioned mind that can be attached to it? Am I not the conditioned mind?
We can only lust for what we can imagine, and the most precious “jewel” can’t be grasped or held, actually or conceptually. One can only come into contact with it and value that contact above everything else, it seems to me.
I would say that the mind is multifunctional, the mind is conditioned according to various factors and emotionally gets attached to its conditioning. Yes, definitely anyway it’s I, me, ego (there’s no point in being fussy about the name, we know what it is)that is responsible for its attachment.
Is there a such a thing as a mind without its conditioning, or is there conditioning that is necessary for survival, and conditioning that sustains the illusion of self and of time?
What is our life all about? Here is such a question. And any answer will immediately kill the question, whether the answer comes today, tomorrow or ten years later. But a mind that is serious about the question must be attentive, watchful, careful and sensitive. The quality of such a mind is then both the answer and the question working together, not separated by thought into two dead components. A seeking mind is a dead mind.
Inquiry,
I’m afraid you’re using your imagination to turn the mind into an independent entity. Mind is just an English word we use to identify a reality we’re aware of and which makes up human existence. In different languages the mind is translated differently, for example in French they say ‘esprit’ but the equivalent English ‘spirit’ does sound very limiting in meaning to convey the idea of mind. The Latin maxim ‘mens sana in corpore sano’ just identifies two parts in the human existence ‘corpus’ like the physical part and ‘mens’ as the mental part, that’s all. What we need is a sane mind, of course to start with we need it with the inbuilt faculties for us to survive, I wouldn’t call it conditioning, Conditioning is all that is added and which can change over time and this means of course that the self changes over time.
That isn’t accurate. The word “mind” is commonly used to refer to the cognitive process. which involves the intellect primarily, and emotion, inevitably; what Krishnamurti called “thought”.