A fact is something that thought can’t do anything about. There is either the fact that we are the source of all human conflict or we think about it. We only think about it because we reject it. We want to be something wonderful. But the fact puts an end to conflict at every level. Thinking about it ensures the continuity of conflict because one is denying the simplest and most obvious fact. And thinking about it is the very essence of the fact because the essence of me is thought.
This is clear. Any movement of thought in relation to this is always a perpetuation of it.
That’s right. It is therefore only the absence of thought that can shine light upon the fact. The absence of thought which is the absence of me which is the absence of conflict. It is a negative proof. Whereas the self is all about positive affirmations, yet these affirmations have no basis in truth.
No. And I am not asking you to agree with anything either. One can’t agree with a fact, only with an idea.
I don’t know why you are bringing God into it. This makes it very complicated.
Who isn’t going to react to an idiotic statement?
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It isn’t true that “any movement of thought” is a perpetuation of psychological thought, because it may be practical thought responding. Since we can’t discern the difference as it occurs, we tend to think there should be no thought at all, and that’s a mistake.
Thought is not the problem - incoherent thought is the problem.
Clear, practical, (technical) thought is vital. But if there is say, psychological distress, suffering, any thought about that is a movement away from the what is, which is the suffering. An escape.
Don’t call it self or self as source - this is about you. You and me. Nothing to do with God. You are directly involved in it. So there has to be a fact about you that is beyond any shadows of doubt.
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You don’t know that. Practical thought can spring to mind anytime it’s appropriate, and only practical thought knows when that is.
My point is that you’re making rules, absolutes, about something beyond your comprehension. Yes, K has given us a technique and we’re playing with it and raving about it, or just concurring, that, “yes, I seemed to have undergone something and everything changed”, but the memory of it is too precious to let go of.
Don’t forget, we’re in Krishnamurti Kindergarten.
So there has to be a fact about you that is beyond any shadows of doubt.
Look, your psychological existence is just an idea full of doubt, contradiction and conflict. But your psychological non-existence is a fact. We can meet in the fact, not in the idea.
There is conflict. Unless you are the source and the centre of it, how do you know that such a thing as conflict even exists? That’s all. We are making a meal of something extremely simple.
When the chips are down it is still psychological thought deciding what is and what is not practical. Thought is totally coherent only when it is totally absent.
When there is a great disturbance in the mind. Thought attempts to ‘solve’ or mitigate the situation. It tries to ‘buttress ‘ the ego…keep it intact. But it IS the ego! At the same time there is an awareness that the ego or self or thought is the source of the ‘volcano of emotions’ erupting. ANY thought at that moment is a ‘moving away’ from the actual event rather than a staying silently and seeing as much as possible.
There may never be another opportunity.
Anyone familiar with the teaching can say that, but are you living proof of it?
You’re too certain. If you’re not open to anything and everything, you’re not open. Stop blocking.
That’s a waste of time. Is it so?
I am asking you a question. Don’t invent lies in the form of beliefs to answer the question. That’s all. Put the question and leave it alone. That’s all one can do.