This may or may not be useful, but sharing nonetheless. Here is a excerpt from the discussion between Krishnamurti and Jonas Salk:
K: What exists today: I am an individual, I must fulfil my own desires, my own urges, my own instincts, my own - and all the rest of it, and that is creating havoc.
JS: Now we want to transform one state to another.
K: You can’t transform.
JS: All right, what can you do?
K: Change, mutate. You can’t change one form into another form. See that you are actually, the truth, that you are the rest of mankind. Sir, when you see that, feel it in your - if I may use the word - guts, in your blood, then your whole activity, your whole attitude, your whole way of living changes.
JS: All right.
K: Then you have a relationship which is not two images fighting each other, a relationship that is living, alive, full of something, beauty. But again we come back - the exception.
JS: They exist. Now let’s focus on the exceptions for a moment because we have already established those that are the predominant species, shall we say, the predominant variety. And let’s, as a practical matter, address ourselves to the role that the exceptional ones might have in bringing about the kind of change that would be tantamount to a mutation event for the species as a whole.
K: Suppose, sir, you are one of the exceptions.
K: I am not supposing, please, I’m…
JS: I understand.
K: What’s your relationship with me who is just an ordinary person? Have you any relationship with me?
K: What is that?
JS: We are the same species.
K: Yes, but you have stepped out of that. You are an exception. That’s what we are talking about. You are an exception and I am not. Right? What is your relationship with me?
JS: I am…
K: Have you any?
K: Or you are outside trying to help me.
JS: No, I have a relationship with you and a responsibility because your wellbeing will influence my wellbeing. Our wellbeing is one and the same.
K: No, sir. You are an exception. You are not psychologically putting things together. You are out of that category. And I am all the time gathering - right? - putting, you know all the rest of it. There is a vast division between freedom and the man who is in prison. I am in prison, of my own making and the prison made by politicians, books and all the rest of it - I am in prison, you are not, you are free. And I would like to be like you.
JS: And I would like to help liberate you.
K: Therefore what’s your relationship? A helper. Or you have real compassion, not for me, the flame of it, the perfume, the depth, the beauty, the vitality and the intelligence it - compassion, love. That’s all. That will affect much more than your decision to help me.
JS: I agree with that. We are in complete agreement. That’s how I see the exceptional. And I see that the exceptional individuals possess the quality of compassion.
K: Yes, sir. And compassion cannot be put together by thought.
JS: It exists.
K: How can it exist when I have hate in my heart, when I want to kill somebody, when I am crying how can that exist? There must be freedom from all that before the other is.
JS: I am focusing my attention now on the exceptional.
K: I am doing that.
JS: And do those have hatred in their hearts? The exceptional ones?
K: Sir, it is like the sun, sir. Sunshine isn’t yours or mine. We share it. But the moment it is my sunshine it becomes childish. So all that you can be, like the sun, the exception like the sun, give me compassion, love, intelligence, nothing else - don’t say, do this, don’t do that - then I fall into the trap, which all the churches, religions have done. Freedom means, sir, to be out of the prison; prison which man has built for himself. And you who are free, be there. You follow? That’s all. You can’t do anything.
JS: I hear you say something very positive, very important, very significant. I hear you say that there does exist people, individuals, a group of individuals, who possess these qualities for emanating something that could help the rest of humankind.
K: You see that’s the whole concept - I don’t want to go into that, that’s too irrelevant - that there are such people who help, not guide, tell you what to do, it all becomes so silly. Just like sun, like the sun giving light. And if you want to sit in the sun, you will sit in it; if you don’t, you will sit in the shade.
JS: Yes. And so it’s that kind of enlightenment…
K: That is enlightenment.
JS: …that we are on the verge of receiving. And I think that that is what you have given us today.